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Burwell v Hobby Lobby decision

Posted Jul 7, '14 at 9:24pm

MageGrayWolf

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Knight

This video get's into a bit more detail on what the first video I posted was talking about. Also the person who did this one has the job of doing wage negotiations, so he would be knowledgeable on this subject.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqXn7U0okv4

 

Posted Jul 27, '14 at 1:29pm

crazyape

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You guys know you can get free contraceptives at your local planned parenthood, right? It's government-funded and everything.

 

Posted Jul 27, '14 at 3:18pm

Kasic

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You guys know you can get free contraceptives at your local planned parenthood, right? It's government-funded and everything.


Off topic, but the ironic thing about this argument is that it's always given by people against birth control as an alternative while they simultaneously are fighting to take that away too.
 

Posted Jul 29, '14 at 12:03pm

crazyape

crazyape

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it's always given by people against birth control as an alternative while they simultaneously are fighting to take that away too.


I'm not against birth control, and yet I use this argument. But really, companies should not have to provide contraceptives of any kind to employees, unless part of the employee's job is of a sexual nature. Otherwise, if people want it, people should go get it for themselves. Hobby Lobby has as much right as the next person to deny certain services, and it's not like contraceptives is a huge money investment. I think that it's a reasonable right of a company to deny something as controversial as birth control if they so choose, just as L'Oreal can choose to void someone's contract if they are found to be hunters or something like that. It shouldn't be up to the employee what benefits they recieve. If it's a really big issues to the potential worker, then they can simply look elsewhere for employ.
 

Posted Jul 29, '14 at 1:16pm

Kasic

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But really, companies should not have to provide contraceptives of any kind to employees,

I can just as easily say that companies should not have to provide medical services of any kind to employees. If people want it, people should go get it for themselves.

The problem with that is a lack of understanding how insurance works. Companies get a huge advantage when it comes to purchasing health insurance for the same reason companies get one when it comes to buying paper or anything else. Bulk purchases give discounts. The rate at which a company can provide health insurance for an employee is cheaper than that which the employee could get themselves by a lot. Even if the employer pays the employee the exact amount they would be paying for that employees health insurance, the employee is getting screwed because they can't get the same deals as the company could have.

I think that it's a reasonable right of a company to deny something as controversial as birth control if they so choose,

I don't. Birth control is a medical thing. It's related to the health of the employee and may not be used simply to prevent pregnancy, and even if it is used to solely prevent pregnancy, that's still medical. The company has no right to say what medical decisions their employee can make and has no moral grounding to dictate how their employees live their lives. Further, this bull**** about not providing stuff for birth control is hypocritical, because they have absolutely no problem paying for Viagra for their employees or investing in birth control in order to fund their employees retirement fund. It's very simply a moral judgement made against women by the owners of Hobby Lobby.

just as L'Oreal can choose to void someone's contract if they are found to be hunters or something like that

Wut.

It shouldn't be up to the employee what benefits they recieve.

Yeah. Companies give their employees what they feel they deserve and the employees should be happy no matter what it is. Employees are just the company's property after all.


last edited Jul 29 2014 01:18 pm by Kasic
 

Posted Jul 31, '14 at 6:22pm

crazyape

crazyape

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Yeah. Companies give their employees what they feel they deserve and the employees should be happy no matter what it is. Employees are just the company's property after all.


I'm glad we agree on something.
 

Posted Aug 1, '14 at 7:42am

HahiHa

HahiHa

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Knight

I'm glad we agree on something.

In my humble opinion, I think you should get your sarcasm meter checked.
 

Posted Aug 2, '14 at 2:54pm

crazyape

crazyape

1,800 posts

In my humble opinion, I think you should get your sarcasm meter checked.


You made my day.
 
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