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Posted Aug 30, '14 at 3:02pm

TheMostManlyMan

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I'm just wondering, though the protesters ( i think ? ) said something about why not aim for the arm or legs instead of the center body mass, did they not think about just how hard that would be to hit it?

One thing that they tell you in classes for getting a concealed handgun (I didn't go obviously) is that if you shoot someone (obviously not just shooting someone for the sake of it), shoot to kill because if you just injure them they can sue you and you'll be getting into trouble too. Not sure if the same applies with police officers but I would only assume so.

There has been zero evidence that the officer's actions were racially motivated. This event took place in the ghetto where blacks tend to feel as if they're victims due to their skin color and not the fact that they act like thugs associated with gang violence. This is why everyone is calling Michael a "gentle giant" when it's very likely he was just another thug.

Thank you. thank you for making so much sense when everyone else (not talking about this thread) refuses to listen to anything that doesn't involve it being racist.

I know at one point at least people were calling for a new judge because the current one "didn't have to vote of the black community". They said that and petitioned regardless of the fact that the judge (who was white by the way) was elected 3 days prior to the event in the black majority city. It's completely ridiculous! As NoName just said, they completely ignore the facts and won't be satisfied until everything and everyone involved is as racially motivated as the protesters are!

~Manly
 

Posted Aug 30, '14 at 4:49pm

MattEmAngel

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This is why everyone is calling Michael a "gentle giant" when it's very likely he was just another thug.

Way back in the '50's, when racial segregation and civil rights were heating up, the black community used Mrs. Rosa Parks as their "martyr". Parks was described as "a responsible, mature woman with a good reputation. She was securely married and employed, was regarded as possessing a quiet and dignified demeanor, and was politically savvy (Wiki article)." She was the ideal American woman for that generation, and when it all went down, she was obeying the law (she was in fact sitting in a colored section when she was told to get up).

The current symbol of revolution, Mr. Michael Brown, has no such position or respect. He has at least once committed theft and criminal battery and, according to news reports, he also "dabbled" in drugs and alcohol and made several rap songs with "vulgar lyrics." I believe he has a rap sheet as well.

Isn't it ironic that Brown is the perfect example of the black stereotype that they're trying to erase?


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Posted Aug 31, '14 at 9:45pm

Jagatai_Khan

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He has at least once committed theft and criminal battery and, according to news reports, he also "dabbled" in drugs and alcohol and made several rap songs with "vulgar lyrics." I believe he has a rap sheet as well.

Isn't it ironic that Brown is the perfect example of the black stereotype


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Posted Sep 1, '14 at 4:31am

nichodemus

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The protest has just erupted into a furious ball of blatant ignorance, hysterical doom-saying, and self righteous reverse racism of whites. Just gets irritating.

 

Posted Sep 10, '14 at 5:59pm

pangtongshu

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Protesters threatened to shut down I-70 (major highway in St. Louis County) today

 

Posted Sep 10, '14 at 6:48pm

MattEmAngel

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Then again, the city council held a public meeting for the protestors and basically ignored them. No response to a lot of their questions/demands.

Or so I'm told by Twitter. But we're supposed to believe the real citizen, not the police. Must be true.


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Posted Sep 11, '14 at 12:12am

aknerd

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I'll start with a disclaimer: I spend a lot of time driving so I get all my news from NPR, with all the biases that entails. I will not cite any sources here because I don't care enough to look up the web articles that correspond to the various programs I've listened too, especially considering I listened to them across many states. End disclaimer.

There are a few things being said here that I do not agree with. First, it was brought up that Michael Brown committed a theft before being shot. The only relevance of this fact (and this was rightly brought up) is that it could provide motive for Brown to attack the police officer if he (Brown) thought that the officer was going to arrest him. But other people seem to be stating that Brown was a bad person. Why does that matter? The police cannot dispense justice. This is not Judge Dredd or Dicksonian London where the cops can just kill thieves. If Brown was an absolutely terrible person, if he was running a child slavery ring (for example), it still is not okay for a cop to just shoot a person. There has to be some sort of serious threat. Witnesses say that that was not the case in this shooting, but the investigation is ongoing.

I ask a question: do you guys think that racial aggression actually exists within the police force in the U.S. on a scale that would be noticeable to minorities? I think that it does. You look at the area of the shooting, and you see that the police force is almost entirely white even though a large part of the population is black. You see a far greater proportion of black people are pulled over at traffic checks and yet a far greater proportion of white people are actually charged with committing a crime. You see that when cops are made to wear cameras while on duty that charges of police aggression drop by something like 95 percent. When you take all of this together it seems like the most reasonable conclusion is that the police are unfairly targeting black people.

This doesn't mean that Brown's death was a murder.

It does, however, make the protester's haste seem more reasonable. If I had lived under these conditions it would be much easier to believe that the police officer had just up and shot Brown. And why wait for the system to work out what has actually happened when you have no trust in the system in the first place?

I think that protests like this happen because there is actual, justifiable mistrust of the police system by a large part of the population. I think that it is wrong to blame something like this on white guilt or reverse racism.

 

Posted Sep 11, '14 at 2:31am

pangtongshu

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But other people seem to be stating that Brown was a bad person


I believe references to this were in response to the media trying to create the "Gentle Giant" image of Michael Brown to further his martyr status. You are right, however, that it is not a justification for his death.

Witnesses say that that was not the case in this shooting,


Witnesses being truthful have already shown to be suspect, however

It does, however, make the protester's haste seem more reasonable


My distaste about this ordeal comes from the fact that these riots and protests were a response to nothing more than a lie (i.e. the statements by Michael Brown's friend that started the whole ordeal), as well as the fact that this all started with most of the "protesters" making such statements like "**** the police" and "the only good cop is a dead one".

I don't think the idea behind the protests is a bad one, but that the original reaction and the pedestal they are using for it aren't quite good.
 

Posted Sep 12, '14 at 12:34am

NoNameC68

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Some idiots got themselves arrested trying to block Interstate-70. I love how these protesters are, in a sense, trying to hold innocent commuters hostage as a means of getting what they want. Justice? Hardly.

There's a lot of focus on the fact that most of the officers in Furgeson are white, despite Furgeson being a mostly black community. I have to wonder how many of those officers actually live in Furgeson, because Furgeson is a ghetto.

 

Posted Sep 12, '14 at 7:14pm

SSTG

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Their message was sent and received.
Now they're losing the little respect they got from the public.
It's actually very annoying and they will lose many businessmen in the city.
Later they will whine about the lack of stores in their town!

 
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