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One could make the argument that there is no difference between spending $7k on any of these games and on cable TV. After all many of these games are up for years so that $7k may have been spent over the course of the game. Someone spending $200/mth on cable TV would rack up that same $7k in 3 yrs. And at the end of the day both have provided the user the same effect; entertainment, distraction, etc.

Now do I think people should spend $7k on any of the games OR cable TV...not really but I'm not sure the devs are being immoral. The players might just spend that same $7k without even getting a bonus from a VIP level unless you want all money options removed from the games (even a limit could be circumvented with multiple accts).

Well, with this game, I always had the opinion that it's like gambling. So, it's not inmoral that devs ask for money, but that they put it in a way that makes it addictive. I do think that's the problem: you'll start buying a couple of diamonds and end up spending hundreds or thousands of dollars, just because the game become more and more attractive.
This is why I really don't like this game. I've been near some cases of ludopathy and it's really horrible, especially when I come to think that this is a web were kids or teens can come freely and play whatever they want to (which, generally, is great). But, imagine if a 7-year-old starts playing KOT and gets the announcements when they say something like "if you spend X$, you'd get these tons of things!!!". Here it where it lies the moral issue: maybe AG should prevent minors to play these games or the game itself should only let adults play, I don't know. The thing is that, I honestly don't think that these pay-to-win (or almost) games should be so easy to play by people (children/teens/whatever) that might have a higher chance to become addicts due to this gambling/paying issue.

200$ for a single pack is crazy overpriced. You could buy 2-3 triple-A games with that, or a bucket-load of indie titles. I'd expect you'd get way more entertainment from that, too.

But of course the problem is that games like KoT appeal particularly to people who play these games during office breaks or whatever, and who might not have time to play longer sessions on a console or PC. So they spend their money thusly.

It's a similar principle as business models from mobile games like Candy Crush. It's essentially turning a free-to-play game into near-compulsive pay-to-win, as the progression system is directly tied in with those purchases. While I don't think that microtransactions are necessarily always immoral, this kind of predatory, exploiting business model kind of is.

You also don't actually get anything particularly new or different from those transactions, either, at least as far as I understood this. If at least you'd get a lot of new content or new gameplay mechanics, you could say you were actually paying for something, but with this, all you do is paying to advance a bit faster. Hence why I think 101moses101's cable TV analogy isn't entirely fitting.

Not immoral for adults, but perhaps because games are also meant for kids who are unaware of the cost...I have seen news stories about young children who accidentally spent thousands on their parents' credit cards without realising. That seems manipulative to me as it preys on their ignorance.

for me all sorts of micro-transactions are stupid, the very concept of it, because everything is utterly overpriced. Like Ha said, they don't add anything new and depending on the game, they can cost as much as a full price game or expansion pack or absurdly more. I've only ever indulged in a micro-transaction once, in a free to play game, with a one time offer that costed less than 5 Euros just to support the devs (and because that was a pretty good offer, hence being one time)

So all in all, it is a policy that relies on people's addiction for the game. I don't think it's an ok thing at all. Especially for some games of this site because nothing prevents the kids from joining and getting accustomed to the thought that it's an ok thing to charge for, even if they can't spend the money on the game themselves. But then again, there are so many things that are not ok to charge money for, that one more doesn't make a huge difference in the grand scope for me.

I'm going to talk about DLC also here, hope it fits.
Paradox Interactive has a particularly expensive dlc system. EU4, for example, costs over $200 to buy all the dlc. 4 of the dlc's are generally agreed on by the community as necessary to play. After you buy the $60 'full game' you need to spend hundreds of dollars to make in playable, not and more to make it enjoyable. HOI4 also has this problem. They released the game with very few custom focus trees. All the dlc's have been adding them, bit by bit. To get a full game, you need to spend hundreds of dollars on these focus trees to make countries interesting to play, for or against. And now, instead of making new focus trees for countries that have the generic one, the newest expansion, Waking the Tiger, instead just remakes current custom focus trees. This does not add any actual gameplay to the game, just brings Paradox more dlc sales. This isn't even mentioning the unit and sound packs that you can buy.

I have since seen one or two videos about the price of making video games, see for example this video [link] from Youtube channel Extra Credits. I can understand why game developer studios are trying to find a way to finance AAA game titles while keeping the price at a level where people would still buy it. The problem really lies in the way how this is performed. Take DLCs for example; I think most people are fine with DLCs in principle, but not if the devs keep spouting out DLCs that each cost almost as much as the base game; or if you actually need the DLC to complete it; or in the case of day-one DLCs. Same could likely be said about microtransactions: there's a way to implement those such that most people are fine with it, like Rare is trying to do in Sea of Thieves (selling objects that are purely cosmetic), and then there's the way KoT is doing it, by making it pay-to-win and putting as many paywalls and countdowns in the game as they can to coerce you into buying their stuff.

I know this is an old topic, but I have to say that Extra Credits was pretty bad with that video, which was made in defense of the indefensible practices of EA/DICE in Star Wars Battlefront II. Jim Sterling made several videos about it, including one or two directly responding to the Extra Credits video. In one video, he made the point that that since game companies are more interested in creating Online Services instead of games now, complete with the monetization model of most free-to-play mobile games, these AAA games should be free.

Here are two of his videos (out of the many that he's made):
The Cost Of Doing Business (The Jimquisition)
Games Should Not Cost $60 Anymore (The Jimquisition)

EA DICE said they didn't expect turning off microctransactions in Star Wars Battlefront II to affect their profit margins. Battlefront II didn't even meet sales expectations, yet EA DICE still profited off it WITHOUT the MTX.

As much as I like Extra Credits, they don't do their research like they should. They are overly trusting in what game companies tell their gamers, without looking at what the same companies tell their shareholders. The two messages are often entirely different.

Are microtransactions unethical? In some cases, yes. It is my firm belief that Loot Boxes are incredibly unethical, because they rely on gambling mechanics and exploit those with addictive tendencies. I also believe that it's unethical to have microtransactions for things that aren't new content in games that you purchase. Free-to-play games are a gray area, and there are a few that are ABSOLUTELY unethical in how they handle MTX, while there are others (like the developers of Warframe) who balance it really well. I have played free-to-play games where it was impossible to remain on a competitive level without spending ~$50 or more per month.

• Pay-to-win is always unethical and wrong, even in free-to-play games.
• Microtransactions in purchased games are almost always unethical.
• Loot boxes are universally unethical.
• Microtransactions that unlock extra content (DLC, expansions) for a purchased game are usually fine, with some exceptions.
• Paying to buy the full version of an otherwise free game is fine.
• Microtransactions where you know exactly what you're getting are usually fine. I'm not talking about purchasing diamonds that can then buy temporary boosts. I'm talking about skins and stuff that you can directly buy and know what you're getting (like in League of Legends).

Anyway, that's all I have time to say right now, and I'm sure that as soon as I click submit I'm going to say "Dang it, I forgot all about [thing]!" I am interested in further discussion on this topic, though.