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dragoncrusher
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Well, I heard some people talk about it, and decided to bring it into the forums.
Well, I think that becoming transgender is just not right. God gives you one body it is just not right to change your gender. What do you people think?

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Xzeno
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If how the present them self is how they want to be treated then fine. I guess I don't really understand the point of the question.
I believe neither I nor Zophia asked how you would treat the person, but rather how you would think of the person. The purpose of the question, MageGrayWolf, is to find out if you merely tolerate transsexuals or accept them.

If it is mere tolerance, why not acceptance?

If it is acceptance, why?
MageGrayWolf
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I believe neither I nor Zophia asked how you would treat the person, but rather how you would think of the person. The purpose of the question, MageGrayWolf, is to find out if you merely tolerate transsexuals or accept them.


My acceptance of someone is based more on the way a person behaves then what they have done to there body.
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In my opinion, if people want to be like that, then let them, although I do think it's... strange, if not a bit disgusting to say the least.


My acceptance of someone is based more on the way a person behaves then what they have done to there body.


Wouldn't this be a physical, contrary to an emotional or mental, manifestation of how they behave though?
MageGrayWolf
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Wouldn't this be a physical, contrary to an emotional or mental, manifestation of how they behave though?


Perhaps but couldn't we say the same thing for a tattoo that held significant meaning to the person?
pHacon
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Perhaps but couldn't we say the same thing for a tattoo that held significant meaning to the person?


I suppose it would depend on the tattoo then.
Xzeno
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My acceptance of someone is based more on the way a person behaves then what they have done to there body.
OK. This is happening too often. Their is possessive. There is a place.

Transsexuality is not merely something done with the body. It is a mental thing, and it affects behavior. Is that behavior you except, or behavior you merely tolerate? Do you believe a person's true gender is always the one they're born with? I'm not just asking MageGrayWolf. I'm asking everyone.
pHacon
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Do you believe a person's true gender is always the one they're born with?


No, I don't, mainly for the fact that my school is chock full of people like that, imagine my surprise when, after a few weeks of being empty, the guy in the seat next to me was replaced by a girl who decided to pick up our most recent conversation as if nothing had happened.
I'm surprised she was even allowed to return to school, I thought the Texas Board of Education was too screwed up for that.
MageGrayWolf
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Is that behavior you except, or behavior you merely tolerate?


If they were a nice person of course I could accept them.

Do you believe a person's true gender is always the one they're born with?


Well as I stated in the topic of homosexuality.
Well the hormones are enough to cause the person to effect there brain determining there sexual orientation but not enough to effect the rest of there physical development. So you end up with someone with a sexual preference to the gender they themselves are. So I suppose what transsexuals say "feeling like there a man/woman trapped in the opposites body" might not be to far from the truth.


The structure of their brain is like one sex and the structure of their body is like the other.
adios194
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Also, does anyone know if the word "tranny" is correct? Seems a bit derogatory to me.

It's defined as slang for the word transexual.
If it is mere tolerance, why not acceptance?
If it is acceptance, why?

This wasn't directed to me, I know, but my belief is that no matter who or what one is they should be treated as an equal and accepted.
My acceptance of someone is based more on the way a person behaves then what they have done to there body.

Exactly.
I suppose it would depend on the tattoo then

Then wouldn't it depend on the persons character or ethics, and their reason for wanting to be transexual.
Do you believe a person's true gender is always the one they're born with?

A persons true gender is what they are born with, but they have the choice to change it upon their will, if they choose.
Zophia
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Transsexuality is not merely something done with the body.
And while we're at that: Not all transgendered ones go to the point of altering their body.

It is a mental thing, and it affects behavior. Is that behavior you except, or behavior you merely tolerate?

(Guessing you meant 'accept', not except.)
Tolerance and acceptance are two degrees of the same thing, imo. Tolerance just indicates you'd rather not have to accept it, but you still kinda do... I dunno.
I don't have a problem with their decisions unless they're being jerks in the "you are treating me badly because I am different D8" drama style.

Do you believe a person's true gender is always the one they're born with?
I believe a person's physical gender will always (or at least until operated) be the one they're born with. If they perceive themselves as a different sex than what their body is, and find their self perception important enough to rearrange their body, they can alter that.

I'm not entirely sure how "true gender" can be defined, though.
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If it is mere tolerance, why not acceptance?


Why does something need to be accepted by society to be permissable?

I tolerate plenty of things I would not or could not accept. Since when has acceptance ever been a pre requisite for the right to do something?
adios194
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Why does something need to be accepted by society to be permissable?

It doesn't, many things are accepted, but not premissable. A few of these are interacial relationships, homosexuality, and drugs.
FireflyIV
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A few of these are interacial relationships, homosexuality, and drugs.


Since when is being gay, having a partner of different ethnicity or taking drugs not permissable?
adios194
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Since when is being gay, having a partner of different ethnicity or taking drugs not permissable?

I meant to put many things are permissable, but not accepted by the whole society. Instead of what I said below.
many things are accepted, but not premissable
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"born as" and the "acting as"

Born as and think of themselves as. If they truly believe they're male/female, then they're not really acting, are they?
true gender

I don't think there's really a "true gender". Some men cook. Some women don't. Some men don't play sports. Some women do. Some women can beat the crap out of some men. It all depends on the person, really.

And then you have to take into account hermaphrodites. Or whatever the correct term is.
Gender just isn't black and white, in terms of both the mind and the body.
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