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woody_7007
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When the Russian tanks rolled into Georgia they cliamed it was to protect Russian civilians as they claimed that many people had Russian passports. However as this conflict has gone on it is clear that they want to retake South Ossetia and Abkhazia. There are many peole in these regions that want this to happen yet the fact remains that it is still Georgian sovereign territory. Experts also say that economically Abkhazia could survive independantly as it is on the coast and so can trade with other nations, however they also say that South Ossetia would find it very hard to sustain a healthy economy.

Here is some information from the bbc news. All credit goes to the reporters(not wanting to infringe copywright!)

Abkhazia was incorporated into the Russian empire in 1810 as a protectorate and finally annexed in 1864. Many Abkhaz fled and many Russians and Georgians arrived in the years which followed.

After the Bolshevik revolution in Russia, Abkhazia gained a measure of autonomy until Stalin, who liked to holiday there, incorporated it into Georgia in 1931.

It was still called an autonomous republic but there was very little sign of genuine autonomy while Stalin was alive. Georgian became the official language and the Abkhaz language and cultural rights were repressed. Many Georgians were resettled there. The repression eased substantially after Khrushchev came to power in the Kremlin

At the time of the collapse of the USSR in 1991, less than a fifth of the people of Abkhazia were ethnic Abkhaz while the rest of the population was made up largely of Georgians.

When Georgia became independent, supporters of a break with Tbilisi in favour of independence and closer ties with Russia became more vociferous. Tension rose and in 1992 Georgia sent troops to enforce the status quo.

In late 1993, they were driven out amidst fierce fighting. Several thousand people were killed. Thousands became refugees.

Abkhazia adopted a new constitution in 1994 and formally declared independence in 1999. It has never been recognised by a single country and the price has been high indeed. An economic embargo remains in force and Abkhazia is isolated in just about every sense of the word except from Russia which maintains a border crossing and has re-opened the railway line to Sukhumi.

Moscow has further infuriated Tbilisi by making it easy for people in Abkhazia to gain Russian citizenship. Most now hold Russian passports.

Here is some information about South Ossetia again from the bbs news and again all credit goes to the reporters.

As the Russian empire expanded into the area in the 18th and 19th centuries, the Ossetians did not join other peoples of the North Caucasus in putting up fierce resistance. Some fought alongside the Russians against neighbours who had long been rivals, while others made the difficult journey south across the mountains to escape.

By tradition, the Ossetians have had good relations with Russians and were regarded as loyal citizens, first of the Russian empire and later of the Soviet Union. They sided with the Kremlin when Bolshevik forces occupied Georgia in the early 1920s and, as part of the carve-up which followed, the South Ossetian Autonomous Region was created in Georgia and North Ossetia was formed in Russia.

In the twilight of the Soviet Union, as Georgian nationalist Zviad Gamsakhurdia came to prominence in Tbilisi, South Ossetia too flexed its separatist muscles. Soviet forces were sent to keep the peace in late 1989 following violent clashes between Georgians and Ossetians in the capital, Tskhinvali. Violence flared again as South Ossetia declared its intention to secede from Georgia in 1990 and, the following year, effective independence.

The collapse of the USSR and Georgian independence in 1991 did nothing to dampen South Ossetia's determination to consolidate the break with Tbilisi. Sporadic violence involving Georgian irregular forces and Ossetian fighters continued until the summer of 1992 when agreement on the deployment of Georgian, Ossetian and Russian peacekeepers was reached. Hundreds died in the fighting.

Political stalemate followed. Separatist voices became less strident during President Shevardnadze's rule in Georgia. South Ossetia, its economy and infrastructure a shambles and crime rife, faded from the headlines. It returned to the foreground when Mikhail Saakashvili took the reins as president in Tbilisi.

He was quick to spell out his intention to bring breakaway regions to heel. He has offered South Ossetia dialogue and autonomy within a single Georgian state but that falls far short of what separatists demand.

It came as no surprise when South Ossetians voted overwhelmingly in favour of restating their demand for independence from Tbilisi in an unrecognised referendum in November 2006. A simultaneous referendum among the region's ethnic Georgians voted just as emphatically to stay with Tbilisi. Compromise seems a long way off.

Tensions are never far from the surface and violence flares sporadically. Russia maintains close contacts with the leadership in Tskhinvali where separatists welcome Moscow's supportive stance. To Georgia's deep annoyance, most South Ossetians have Russian passports and the Russian rouble is commonly used in trade.

After having read those two facts do you think that these places have the right to cecede from their mother nation Georgia?Do you think that these two nations could survive independantly?Do you think Russias interests lie in protecting their citizens or taking over those areas where they claim to have many Russians (reminiscent of Hitler in the Sudetenland). Where do you think these nations belong? Russia, Georgia or on their own? What do you think?

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The7thMan
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The Russians just want to cause trouble. They wouldn't be able to just stroll into a country and keep it like that with the rest of the world watching, but they're doing their best to destabilise Georgia by aiding the seperatists and generally causing trouble.

What it all boils down to is that they're still bitter about the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

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The Russians just want to cause trouble. They wouldn't be able to just stroll into a country and keep it like that with the rest of the world watching, but they're doing their best to destabilise Georgia by aiding the seperatists and generally causing trouble.

What it all boils down to is that they're still bitter about the dissolution of the Soviet Union.


Ehh? South Ossetia was part of the SU too. Georgia attacked the separatists, which most are Russian citizens.
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Ehh? South Ossetia was part of the SU too. Georgia attacked the separatists, which most are Russian citizens.


They'd only been Russian citizens since the Russians had come in and given them all passports a year ago. And the massive buildup of Russian troops right before the traditional period of conflict between South Ossetians and Georgians is a little odd. Then there's also the question why all these Russian citizens were living in such high concentration on Georgian sovereign land trying to turn it into Russian sovereign land. Or why Russia who was supposed to be acting as the peacekeeping force just let the separatists follow their tanks into Georgia 'claiming' all the cities for South Ossetia and dismantling their police/security forces.
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