I remember a story about a white-supremacist family with a child who showed up at her school with a swastika drawn on her in marker. Child family services took her and her young brother away from their parents. There were other reasons, but I would like this topic to focus on their beliefs. Here's the link [url]http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=945[/url] So what does the AG community have to say about this?
You can't take kids away from their parents just because of their beliefs. We are all free to believe what we want, well, in a free society that is, and while I'm lothe to admit it, that includes a bunch of idiotic, hate mongering, white-supremacists. I'm glad the authorities found a good excuse to take their children away from them (drugs etc. as cited by the article), but free expresion is an essential liberty. If we take it away from one group, who is next?
so its not alright to take away someones kids because they are Neo-Nazis its just not right they belong to their family no matter what they do in the future
We are free to hold and express our beliefs so long as they cause no serious harm to ourselves, others, or when they do not constitute a potential threat to the people, property, or community as a whole. Such overt racism covers all these categories.
In this instance, the children were being used as propaganda tools to promote their parents beliefs. The parents willingly put their children in a position where they were likely to be harmed, and to cause harm, to others. Racist symbols are also likely to cause a disruption to the educational environment (such that it is).
Overt forms of racism (those where intent to harm others is provable) cannot be tolerated because they threaten to tear us apart instead of bringing us together. Humanity cannot survive as a species if we cannot learn to live and work together, no matter what our physical and cultural differences may be. Racism, discrimination, hatred, all these things sew the seeds of our own destruction.
why is it always about White-Supremacist getting blamed for being racist, you know there's Black-Supremacists as well
Ahh if a black kid showed up to school with a shirt saying "all crackers should die" he would be treated the same.
so its not alright to take away someones kids because they are Neo-Nazis its just not right they belong to their family no matter what they do in the future
No matter what they do in the future? What if they are teaching the kids that they should kill anyone different?
40% of YouTube users are in racism with comments and videos
but you can't stop it its in everyone's blood to hate and war
Really? I don't see any reason, for me, to hate, or war.
so its not alright to take away someones kids because they are Neo-Nazis its just not right they belong to their family no matter what they do in the future
So your saying it's all right for children to be raised to hate and discriminate against others? For them to treat others differently because of differences that shouldn't even matter?
So your saying it's all right for children to be raised to hate and discriminate against others? For them to treat others differently because of differences that shouldn't even matter?
ok lets say your parents are racist and teaching you Neo-Nazis crap and you like to be one when you grow up but one day the cops come and take you away, are you gonna cry to be with your parents?
try thinking things about your self and see how it turns out then you can judge other people
In this instance, the children were being used as propaganda tools to promote their parents beliefs. The parents willingly put their children in a position where they were likely to be harmed, and to cause harm, to others. Racist symbols are also likely to cause a disruption to the educational environment (such that it is).
This presents several strong arguments as to why such expressions may need to be limited.
but you can't stop it its in everyone's blood to hate and war
This is precisely the reason censorship is relevant.
That is, if you presume, as I have, that we wish to maintain an environment that is conducive to cohabitation. If course if you're atavistic/anarchistic then ignore what I just said!
ok lets say your parents are racist and teaching you Neo-Nazis crap and you like to be one when you grow up but one day the cops come and take you away, are you gonna cry to be with your parents?
If I really stretched my imagination, with a mindset like that I would subsequently blame every injustice on non-white people and turn into a bloodthirsty terrorist.
who cares if I'm happy? If someone does something wrong like that, beat that person up.
You don't use violence to solve your problems. It just causes more problems.
ONE FIGHT DOESNT START A RIOT.
Sure it can. Look at protests and such, one person throws a punch it can start a full blown riot. When using the term riot you just have to consider how many people are around. When people get into mobs they usually get stupid. It's pack mentality.
No. Thats what people say when they get beat up because they cant fight worth ****. It fixes your problems. If someones pissing you off, you beat him up, and he stops. Its that simple.
It's funny that intelligence and the ability to talk is looked at as weakness. Maybe I just forget how school was. In adult land violence only causes more problems. Kicking everyone who disagrees with you, in the throat does not solve your problem. Being a bully, being a violent person solves nothing.
More than 99.995% of fights DONT result in riots. If you had been in any fights, you would see that most people dont get involved in others affairs unless it actually has some political significance. And one guy yelling doesnt hold much political significance.
99.99% huh? 200 common street thugs, those that only have the ability to be violent, fighting because of some stupid argument would not be called a riot? Only large groups fighting over some equally stupid political argument can be called a riot?
Thats not a fight. Learn to listen. PUNCHING SOMEONE IN THE FACE DOESNT START A RIOT. Is someone 200 people? NO. Its ONE ****ING PERSON PUNCHING ONE OTHER PERSON. That doesnt cause people to start rioting. Are you dense or something?
See you proved my earlier point. You automatically resort to name calling and insults, the written equivalent to kicking someone in the throat, when everyone elsed is debating an chatting civilly. And once again, in a CROWD, one punch can most certainly cause a riot depending on how many people are just hanging around watching.
