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Forums → The Tavern → Random Stuff #3 ( if Hitler was still alive: good or evil)
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I was watching the history network when a special on hitler and his family, so i thought what if hitler was alive then i thought what if hitler was a good person who helped the jews, so then i thought to post a topic in the tavern about it.
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If hitler wanted to help the jews he wouldn't be alive would he? :P
His moustache was super awesome...
I say he would be about 80 so it might not really make much of a difference in the world would it?
what if questions >.<
the perspective of good and evil soley depends on the person viewing it
Ex. in the star wars films darth vader is viewed as the antagonist by the director, don't you think that darth was stressed out as it is dealing with palpatine? didn't he have a good plan? blowing up planets was a way to cool off and try to exterminate his enemys who opposed his views.
history would just repeat itself someone else beside hitler if he was good would do the same thing that hitler did in WWII. So nothing would really change except the time period.
Here is a scary thought. Examine Europe during the thirties, the rise of the communist party in Germany, France, and elsewhere. If Hitler had been good, it is quite likely that Communism (not the real stuff, the Stalinistic version) could have very easily dominated the entire continent.
As the take over would have been accomplished without military coercion, for the most part, there would be no grounds to combat them. Even after Pearl Harbor (anyone remember Pearl Harbor day yesterday? Sunday, December 7th. It was a Sunday that year as well.) there would have been no provocation to go into Europe.
Economic pressure would have probably pushed England into an alliance with Russia, and Pearl Harbor would have pushed us into an alliance with Russia against Japan, of sorts, as it did in our history.
Russia would have probably taken out China, as they were fractured and fighting a civil war as well as the Japanese, and a portion was communist as well. (The portion that won, in our history.)
Stalin could have ruled the entire Euro-Asian super-continent, and with that, India and Africa would probably have come pretty easily as well. (Ghandi would not have faired so well trying non-violent means to end Stalin's occupation, trust me.)
Now Stalin, as you may not be aware, was not exactly a fan of the Jewish people himself. He enjoyed killing them almost as much as the Germans. WW II stopped the Final Solution in our history, but with no Hitler, and no WW II in Europe, it could easily have become nearly total.
With the lions share of the worlds resources, an in with the British Commonwealths of Australia, and Canada, and no shortage of places in Central and South America that didn't much like the U.S., it seems pretty likely that without Hitler, we would be living in a world-wide gulag, and every son and daughter of Abraham would be exterminated.
It was only the might of the German war machine, and the insanity of Hitler, that blunted the Russian historical juggernaut.
I don't know about you, but I find it chilling to think a megalomanical mad-man like Hitler could potentially have been the lesser of two evils.
EVIL! The onl good thing hitler ever did was make the vultzwagon! >.<
i agree black night and for all we know he could be alice in africa
Not really. He killed himslef. If you wnat, you can go dig up his body to prove it.
actually you cant dig up his body as it was burnt and spread all over the place so Nazis could not create a memorial for him. interesting fact: in ww1 a grenade went off in a German trench, 16 died, the survivor was Hitler.
he killed him self and that post ubove me is true seen it on the bio channel 2 days ago. there were 42 trys to kill him, but then he killed him self
Not really. He killed himslef. If you wnat, you can go dig up his body to prove it.
Umm does it say "I killed myself" in his grave?
it is quite likely that Communism (not the real stuff, the Stalinistic version) could have very easily dominated the entire continent.
Ehh no. Stalin's policies would be reformed. And Nazi Germany was surely worse. Their ideology was set on evil.
It was rather the Soviet Union's existence that took down Germany.
Now Stalin, as you may not be aware, was not exactly a fan of the Jewish people himself. He enjoyed killing them almost as much as the Germans.
Stalin had 3 wives, all Jewish.
Really, too many assumptions there.
Ehh no. Stalin's policies would be reformed. And Nazi Germany was surely worse. Their ideology was set on evil.
Are you a dreamer, or simply as deluded as Sarte? Stalin's policies would have never been reformed in his life time, and if he had not had to fight the Nazi's, there would have been no motivation to change them after he died. Only the pressure of the economically successful West, something that would not have happened without WW II, caused any change in our history.
It was rather the Soviet Union's existence that took down Germany.
Without our aid, the Soviet Union would have collapsed. Read up on Archangel, and our massive efforts to support their war efforts. That being said, every reaction has an equal and opposite reaction, (a physics issue, but true in this respect as well) they destroyed each other. Without the Nazi's, the Soviet collective would have dominated Europe without doubt (by free election), Asia with little legitimate resistance, Africa overnight, and the Western Hemisphere as soon as the power of Oil become manifest.
Stalin had 3 wives, all Jewish.
Really, too many assumptions there.
Indeed, too many assumptions; yours.
Stalin's purges against the Jews were a matter of record. You assume because he married three, he wasn't an anti-Zionist. History proves otherwise.
In a December 1, 1952 Politburo session, Stalin announced: "Every Jewish nationalist is a potential agent of the American intelligence. Jewish nationalists think that their nation was saved by the USA."
The number of Jews killed by Stalin in his purges will never be known, but it is easiy over one million, without a hint of hyperbole. Had he been unopposed in Europe, those numbers would have greatly increased. Without Israel as a homeland, or the U.S. to flee too, the remaining Jews in Europe would be living a subsistence existence.
Even in our history Stalin was a mass murderer nearly a magnitude greater then Hitler, and Mao was a bigger monster then either of them. (By some estimates, bigger then both of them combined.) The impact of Stalin's paranoia cannot be underestimated, and his lust for the blood of those he feared were out to kill him would never have been sated.
I love how humanity has such a defined example of what "evil" is. shit already there calling President elect obama (i voted for him) the next hitler,when the dude hasnt even done anything yet.
so like humans to just freak out and start grunting and screaming and thrwoing theyer poop at what ever they dont understand or fear instea dof learn it and understand it.Hitler is wasnt evil,he had a belief and he stuck to it lot more then what most people do! catch is it was trying to create a psuedo super race of humans while eracing the rest in its creation,that is by feeling not human definition "Evil",the word and feeling are different,th word is thrown around alot just like the name of god but the feeling is pure and all can agree on it,you know when something is evil becaus eyou can feel the presence of something that is.Hitlers Belief was ok but how he went about trying to make it shared that was evil.even i can feel that.
Two things, one, personally I do not believe in 'Evil' with the capital 'E'. Two, 'evil' with the little 'e' is written by the victors. If Hitler had won it all, he would be a deity today, and Churchill and FDR would be the 'evil' ones.
Oddly enough, Stalin would have been evil either way, not because of anything he did or said, but because both sides didn't like him.
Truth be told, if he had ended up on top, Stalin would be world hero number one, and have video games commemorating his single handedly defeating everyone.
Hitler would probably not be evil, because Stalin would have probably simply had him removed from history.
As to your 'screaming and throwing poop' analogy, yes, people are opinionated, pig-headed, and often unpleasant. Surprised much?
Every famous leader has had those who called him evil, Sic semper tyrannis, remember that? (And most people think he was a good guy. Didn't stop him from being called evil.) There are simply people who always gainsay anything, and anybody, just as there are always followers who will believe anything. (Drink the Kool Aid Mikey). Does it mean anything 'real' to be called evil?
I don't think so, except if they catch you at it, you'll probably not come to a good end.
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