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cowdude5055
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Wow. Washington has done it again! The Obama Posse is really startin' to tick me off. They have cut spending towards the f-22 raptor, the most advanced jetfighter so far, that we own. There reason is that they want to buy things for stuff the troops can actually see. Can they see multiple mountains and underground bases? No. Can the travel to about Mach 2? no.

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thisisnotanalt
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Well, Obama is only cutting spending militarily, which is odd when we're still in a war. Advancing our strenghs militarily will ensure our protection. I find my life far more important than health care (not to be rude, though).


Honestly? We have enough military power to cut all spending and be fine. Also, I heard somewhere that his military budget is actually 3% HIGHER than Bush's is. How can we be spending less when we're spending more? Besides, Russia and China are too smart to attack us directly. China would lose it's main customer, and Russia would be glassed in a matter of hours. Also, having more health care will ensure the protection of your life! You would be protecting your life by caring more about health care. We dont' need any more F-22s!!!!! He's cutting what's not cost-effective, and quite frankly unnecessary. Besides, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban don't have an air force, so it won't matter in this war if we completely scrap our air force!
FireflyIV
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Besides, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban don't have an air force, so it won't matter in this war if we completely scrap our air force!


That's not entirely true. Then ISAF would lose one of it's valuable assets. Close air support is still very important to the conflict in Afghanistan, but ground troops should take precedence with regards to funding in a conflict such as this.
BigP08
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Hey Alt. Another debate

Also, having more health care will ensure the protection of your life!

No, I can afford health care. We don't need to socialize (I don't even mean that offensively, but I can't think of a better term) health care because if we need free health care we'll go to another country with the crappy, government-run system. Also, if we have free health care, my dad loses his job and I can't go to college because I can't afford it. So I can be an uneducated guy with free health care, or I can get a job, have a life, and pay for it like everyone else.
My aunt had to pay for an accident that she couldn't afford, so the doctors told her she could pay them overtime, and she managed to come across the money despite being single and poor. America is about opportunity, not getting everything for free. Maybe you have a different perspective because it won't cost you your education if this happens, but it will cost jobs AND taxes to make this happen. And the rich, though they have the most money, can't afford to pay our tax decreases AND pay for whatever programs he wants to socialize (not calling him a socialist, just saying he may want to add in a few more free things).
Honestly? We have enough military power to cut all spending and be fine. Also, I heard somewhere that his military budget is actually 3% HIGHER than Bush's is.

Where'd you hear that? Do you remember?

Oh, hope I wasn't disrespectful, I do enjoy your input and opinions.
FireflyIV
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f we need free health care we'll go to another country with the crappy, government-run system.


Not all people have the money or time to travel to another country for medical treatment.

Also, if we have free health care, my dad loses his job and I can't go to college because I can't afford it.


Nationalising healthcare would create jobs not destroy them. I fail to see how you make the connection between national healthcare and your father losing his job.

My aunt had to pay for an accident that she couldn't afford, so the doctors told her she could pay them overtime, and she managed to come across the money despite being single and poor.


This is only one case. There are an underclass of Americans who cannot afford both food and healthcare. This is a social evil that should be eliminated.
thisisnotanalt
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No, I can afford health care. We don't need to socialize (I don't even mean that offensively, but I can't think of a better term) health care because if we need free health care we'll go to another country with the crappy, government-run system. Also, if we have free health care, my dad loses his job and I can't go to college because I can't afford it. So I can be an uneducated guy with free health care, or I can get a job, have a life, and pay for it like everyone else.


This is a common misconception. Obama doesn't want to nationalize (there's your word) healthcare, just make it more affordable. Hillary Clinton (darn you, Hillary!! :P) wanted to nationalize healthcare, not Obama. Also, everyone employed pays taxes, and the Iraq War is a huge extra cost for tax money. When the war ends, there will be more tax money to spend on important things, like affordable healthcare. Also, there are some things that you should get for free. You can't exactly work your ass off for an opportunity is you're poor and crippled, and can't pay for healthcare to help get a procedure. Besides, people DO work-hard-to try to get a taste of the opportunity-and welfare is like a safety net for those who are trying to get a job yet can't. So what if people are getting free rides? I'd rather be helping people trhat need help AND people that don't need help instead of screwing over both groups. Obama's cuts in spending on the F-22 makes sense. It's reallocating money from something wasteful to something not as wasteful.
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BigP08
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Thanks for the insight, Alt. Must've misunderstood what Obama wanted to do. Anyway, I'm leaving for a while, so see you later.

nationalize

I knew there was a better word, just couldn't put my finger on it!
Nationalising healthcare would create jobs not destroy them. I fail to see how you make the connection between national healthcare and your father losing his job.

My dad's a pharmicutical rep, so he no longer tells people what health care they should get. Again, I may misunderstand how far Obama wants to nationalize, correct me if I'm wrong.
FireflyIV
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My dad's a pharmicutical rep, so he no longer tells people what health care they should get. Again, I may misunderstand how far Obama wants to nationalize, correct me if I'm wrong.


He wouldn't neccessarily lose his job, he might suffer frictional unemployment, but he would be remployed by the state.
SirLegendary
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thats stupid! the f22 is one of the most advanced weapons of all time. it actually helps the soldiers!

thisisnotanalt
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thats stupid! the f22 is one of the most advanced weapons of all time. it actually helps the soldiers!


*heads hits desk* did you even read the goddamn thread?
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