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ShintetsuWA
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Something for me to share with you, AG. This is mostly all American, so, if you're not, well...
this might just be a story to you, unless if this adheres to you as well.

What is our "American Dream"? It has changed greatly over the years, and because of this, our
ways of life are changed. Through this, our principles, our influence, our systems of
government... even how we act. Dependently or independently, our entire civilization can change
drastically, but it takes pretty forceful things to change it. These forceful things stem
from our former "teachings", or influence that was put to us by our teachers that we rely on,
or our parents/guardians. Not just them, but public figures as well, like our leaders,
or celebrities. The majority of Americans' acts depend on what the government is interacting
and shaping our society, it seems, and it trickles down to the common man, and we behave
as such to act like them.

So I have for you today, a few things in a list of what our behavioral principles are
like today. This may be just for Americans, or it can be from other nations too, but through
a series of experiments, here, and in other places, listening to legit sources, I can
believe in every one of these statements 100%:



-- Americans don't get involved in foreign affairs until something of theirs is taken. Otherwise,
we are isolated.

-- If anything doesn't agree with Americans, whether it is exaggerated fear or way
of life, they elect to take it away or destroy it.

-- The majority are gifted with overbalanced and conventional rights, while those of the
minority are shamed with lesser rights. It takes a strong, separating force to bring
them together.

-- As more and more opportunities arise, Americans stem away from necessities and
desire "wants" more, as they take basic needs for granted.

-- The media can take over one's mind by exaggerating situations and events to change his/her
thoughts and views about the "cause".

-- Works that portray objects, characters, or events that symbolize current discriminatory or
any other majority-minority situations often get attacked by Americans and hypocritically
destroy it.

-- Religion and influence oversee almost every aspect of one's views and thoughts
about everything, whether it is about race, other religion, sex, sexuality, or nation, if
they are too weak-minded to decide for themselves their morals and judgments.

-- The increased range of technology has made us an impatient people.



Don't even try denying any of these, because you are sick with one of these statements or have
been in the past. This is how we live, but it takes something special to break away from
our habits and to unify us as one... then we move on to another minority and strike them.

Discrimination still goes on today. Homosexuals for instance. There are people in here, and
across the globe, that discriminate against it, because they think it is wrong. This stems
from religion, the media, past differences, or influence from figures that you depend on.
There are those that try so hard to bring them together, or to show us that they deserve
equal rights just like everyone else, the freedom to have a family without fear of discrimination.
Some states can't even have families, because they made federal laws banning it.

On a lighter note, how about dependence? Something you don't really need to survive, yet you
have it and have a physiological need for it? I do too. It's in front of me. It's my source
of news, income, and entertainment. Technology has made everything so fast, convenient, and instant, that
we take it for granted and has affected our personalities on a severe level. Not such
a thing as high-tech related, but also food wise. Instant meals? So convenient that some
women have no idea how to cook from scratch? Back then, this was mandatory if you wished
to survive effectively ; now, not so much.

So I end today's discussion with some rhetorical questions: Are we responsible for the whole
world? Can America FULLY achieve equal rights? What REALLY makes an American? What is this
"American Dream"?

Discussion starts....now!

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FireflyIV
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Not being American, I don't have as much of a mandate, as you really have to live somehwere to really get to know it, but your postatements do seem to be true. What I disagree with however is that these ideals have changed much over the years. I think they've remained pretty constant.

DDX
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Can America FULLY achieve equal rights?


nope, because the inequality makes people work harder to obtain those rights.
ShintetsuWA
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Which ones are you thinking about? They seem pretty "now" to me. Nothing in these statements
have changed.

FireflyIV
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-- Americans don't get involved in foreign affairs until something of theirs is taken. Otherwise,
we are isolated.


America has been isolationist since WW1. Even the war on terror was brought upon you by 911.

-- If anything doesn't agree with Americans, whether it is exaggerated fear or way
of life, they elect to take it away or destroy it.


This one is kind of vague, but, take the Cold War for example. An ideology that threatened the American way of life turned former allies into worse enemies.

-- The media can take over one's mind by exaggerating situations and events to change his/her
thoughts and views about the "cause".


I don;t have much knowledge of the American media historically speaking. A lack of a national news service like we have in the UK would leave the market open to biased stations, so I wouldn't be surprised if this has remained fairly constant too.

-- Works that portray objects, characters, or events that symbolize current discriminatory or
any other majority-minority situations often get attacked by Americans and hypocritically
destroy it.


The US hasn't had the best track record with regards to equal rights for all its citizens. I wouldn't have thought this behaviour was a new phenomenon.

-- Religion and influence oversee almost every aspect of one's views and thoughts
about everything, whether it is about race, other religion, sex, sexuality, or nation, if
they are too weak-minded to decide for themselves their morals and judgments.


Religion has, and sadly, always will have an influence on American life.

-- The increased range of technology has made us an impatient people.


I don't think that's just restricted to America, but I'll grant you that's probably a more recent development.

My point being that the above statments have been pretty static since America's creation, with only minor changes along the way.
ShintetsuWA
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My points exactly.

America has been isolationist since WW1. Even the war on terror was brought upon you by 911.


And when something of ours is taken, like the Lusitania and Pearl Harbor and World Trade Center,
we take action. We never do get in the faces of foreign nations except to neutrally give support,
but we never do decide on a side until we ourselves are involved.

The US hasn't had the best track record with regards to equal rights for all its citizens. I wouldn't have thought this behaviour was a new phenomenon.


It's been with us since the birth of America, and even before that.

This one is kind of vague, but, take the Cold War for example. An ideology that threatened the American way of life turned former allies into worse enemies.


I meant to say something like the Red Scare, the complete fear and slander of Communism and,
for some strange reason, Socialism. The Palmer Raids were because of the Red Scare and we
basically went McCarthyism on America, taking potential communists without any proof or
knowledge.

Religion has, and sadly, always will have an influence on American life.


Due to Religion and the influence of it, if it didn't exist, we, as a world, would have been
highly more advanced than we are today. This is because of the Church's hold and power
over civilization and law, and their persecution in society because of it.
FireflyIV
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My points exactly.


I was disputing this point.

What is our "American Dream"? It has changed greatly over the years, and because of this, our
ways of life are changed.


As I mentioned in my previous post, these things have always affected America and been part of the American Dream, apart from technology.
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I think that many of the things you have said have some merit. Especially the unfortunate pervasiveness of religion in policy in this country.

However this statement,

-- The media can take over one's mind by exaggerating situations and events to change his/her
thoughts and views about the "cause".

is too relative to be true. Any media source I suppose could "take over one's mind" although I think in order for this to happen the individual intaking the media must be extremely weak willed. I am not weak willed, I am an American, and I certainly have never been "brainwashed" by the media.

Perhaps those who are not concerned enough to find independent verification from impartial parties or other news sources could be "brainwashed" but the vast majority of people I know don't accept the word of popular media sources as the truth.
FireflyIV
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I am not weak willed, I am an American,


So being American automatically makes you string willed? That's a good example of media manipulation.

I think you are underestimating how many stupid people there are out there. Of course there are many who are unaffected by the media. There are many more on which it's effects are profound.
ShintetsuWA
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is too relative to be true. Any media source I suppose could "take over one's mind" although I think in order for this to happen the individual intaking the media must be extremely weak willed. I am not weak willed, I am an American, and I certainly have never been "brainwashed" by the media.


That's why I said "can" and not "will" =)

Besides, it probably isn't around you, but the majority of people nationwide, probably even
further than that.

I think you are underestimating how many stupid people there are out there. Of course there are many who are unaffected by the media. There are many more on which it's effects are profound.


It's almost sad, really.
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I wouldn't say that it is purely the "American Dream" a lot of your points apply to most other countries.

Are we responsible for the whole world?


No, we're not although sometimes we act like it. Since the Monroe Doctrine in 1823 we've always maintained an isolationist point of view that is to say its not our problem until it involves us. That point of view has lead us down the wrong path many times and even when we strayed from it by trying to stop the spread of communism it hurt us. We need to find a comfortable middle ground.

Can America FULLY achieve equal rights?


Can any country? its a question for the ages although i admit the world is rapidly a-changin' if your time to you is worth savin' then you better start swimmin' or you'll sink like a stone

What REALLY makes an American?


an American is someone who obviously lives in america and believes in freedom and personal liberty, respects other people's right to freedom and liberty and is in the pursuit of the American dream

What is this "American Dream"?


well the true basic american dream is trying to secure a livelihood, raise a family and live in peace and be free of oppression everything else is second
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America has been isolationist since WW1. Even the war on terror was brought upon you by 911.

Holy crap. We've been the most nosy country in the world since FDR was elected. We have not been close to isolationist since the early 1930's.

FireflyIV
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Holy crap. We've been the most nosy country in the world since FDR was elected. We have not been close to isolationist since the early 1930's.


WW2, ring any bells? Give me an instance in which the US has got involved without being directly confronted first.
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I don't even consider racist people human if you ask me.


Why not? It's just a set of beliefs. That's like saying that you're not human if you believe your country is the best, if you believe in God, any belief really. I'm not saying it's good to be racist, but I wouldn't go as far as to say they're not human.
ShintetsuWA
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Holy crap. We've been the most nosy country in the world since FDR was elected. We have not been close to isolationist since the early 1930's.


Uhm, what about WWI? We did jack diddly to assist anyone until something of our own
was destroyed, AKA the Lusitania, and that's when we started assisting the Allies, ONLY because
the Axis Powers was the side that destroyed it. If it was the Allied Powers that did
the "crime", then we would have went with the Axis Powers, and society afterwards would
have probably been much more different than it is today.
ShintetsuWA
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It used to be back then. It was taken out of the Bible after slavery was abolished, to keep
their reputation standing.

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