ForumsWEPRCalifornian Court Upholds Prop. 8

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Prop 8, the highly controversial California proposition which will ban same-sex marriage, was passed by voters months ago. Today, lawsuits have failed to overturn it as the California Supreme Court has upheld the proposition.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/05/26/california.same.sex.marriage/index.html

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I do agree that it should be upheld on the will of the people- but the bill itself is intrinsically against what the USA stands for. And yes, it denies a lot of rights. If one of the gay guys is in the hospital, for example, his lover may not be able to visit him, because they aren't married. There are many other ones to. It takes away rights from a minority, which is wrong no matter how you slice it.

yayformeee
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wow, why does anyone even care, just pass it, so what if the catholic church says boo

FireflyIV
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It takes away rights from a minority, which is wrong no matter how you slice it.


Exactly. People should not have the right to take away other people's rights whilst keeping their own. The only people that should have been able to vote should have been the homosexuals; it's their issue, not anyone else's. There shouldn't even have been an issue about it in the first place. All it shows is that bigotry and homophobia still exist in force in the US today.
Yakooza99K
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Why are they trying to overturn something put into place by the population?


Your argument fails, because the population also put in place:

Hitler
Kim Jong Il
Bush
thelistman
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Another victory for Fascism!

Psychoace
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And yes, it denies a lot of rights. If one of the gay guys is in the hospital, for example, his lover may not be able to visit him, because they aren't married.


No it doesn't.
Yakooza99K
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No it doesn't.


It's happened before.
FireflyIV
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No it doesn't.


Wow! 3 simple words and you have completely invalidated your opponent's argument without any evidence to back up your claim! What's your secret?
Yakooza99K
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Wow! 3 simple words and you have completely invalidated your opponent's argument without any evidence to back up your claim!


Yup.
Xavier1
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I don't see how it's being debated though. It's unconstitutional. Therefore it's wrong. There isn't room for oppinion it's just fact.

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It's unconstitutional


You can't say that it is unconstitutional considering it doesn't say anything about gays in the constitution.

People who were gay not even 50 years ago would have been so unaccepted. If we were so unaccepting of gays 50 years ago, why is society so accepting of them now.
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You can't say that it is unconstitutional considering it doesn't say anything about gays in the constitution.


It's unconstitutional because there are not equal rights.

People who were gay not even 50 years ago would have been so unaccepted. If we were so unaccepting of gays 50 years ago, why is society so accepting of them now.


Things change. Society is much less intolerant than it used to be. Calls to limit gay rights harken back to the era of Jim Crow laws.
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Title changed to be more specific. And syntactically correct.

I personally love the fact that it passed. If you have read that prop, you also know that it's not just banning gay marriages, but saving religious freedom. For that, I'm glad it passed.


Which in turn demonstrates that you place your religious freedom over equal rights, which is contradictory to your religious doctrine?
thelistman
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I don't see how it's being debated though. It's unconstitutional. Therefore it's wrong. There isn't room for oppinion it's just fact.

Many things that were once unconstitutional were perfectly fine back in the day. Marriage between blacks and whites where unconstitutional in many states. Does that mean there's no room for debate there? We should revert back to the old laws, because that was the constitution?

Times change. Things change. Deal with it.

Strop
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Therefore it's wrong. There isn't room for oppinion it's just fact.


At the risk of using fire to fight fire, I must say no, that's just your opinion!?!?!?!?!?!?!! :P
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