Alright, so I've been off the site for a while and it's let me do some thinking. During this time I can across a few um revelations of you would.
1. Christians should never label themselves as republican or democrat both parties have many conflicting views with Christianity and siding with you is ridiculous. I.E. democrat pro-choice, republican against gay marriage (more on that later)
2. Gay marriage IS against Christianity BUT telling them they can't marry because it goes against our views is like telling atheists the same thing.
3. War is a very temperamental thing, Jesus preaches love however God does "sanction" war's in the old testament but that's more of a Jewish view point. But that's arguable.
4. Again love is the main message Jesus preaches never, ever hate someone and think it's not a sin it IS. If you honestly want to live for God you must humble yourself and love everyone from the least popular to the most.
5. I don't know if anyone really cares..But I really hope someone does, obviously all my points are here to be dated, but please don't make this like 36th Christianity Vs. Atheism thread.
I believe in free will, but at the same time, I'm not exactly a fan of homosexuality... Personally, I would have no qualms about sending them all to live on Antarctica if it wouldn't kill them all and was about a hundred degrees warmer... If they want to be the way they are, so be it, but this way, they could be around people who agree with them and don't bug the people who do. They can set up their own government and so long as its peaceful, let them stay there...
In the wise words of Maddox. "...I don't want to give you a response in the traditional sense so much as I want to give you a hatchet wound on your face. You're an idiot on so many levels, that I feel almost overwhelmed. Science can learn a lot from someone this stupid. "
1. Christians should never label themselves as republican or democrat both parties have many conflicting views with Christianity and siding with you is ridiculous. I.E. democrat pro-choice, republican against gay marriage (more on that later)
You can't just generalise all 'Christians' into these categories. It is indeed possible to be pro gay marriage and pro choice and yet remain Christian. It has no effect on the core belief that Jesus was resurrected.
3. War is a very temperamental thing, Jesus preaches love however God does "sanction" war's in the old testament but that's more of a Jewish view point. But that's arguable.
Typical backwards conservative logic. To any Christian Jesus' teachings should take precedent over the somewhat warlike Old Testament.
Not to turn this into another homosexuality thread, but I get the feeling that a lot of people here don't understand even the most basic, most established of concepts regarding homosexuality.
Namely, shipping pro-gay and gay people to their own location is not going to confine "gayness" to that region. We're approximately 100% certain of this by now.
Furthermore I don't see how you can support such a suggestion without contemplating the inconsistencies regarding freedoms and rights that you commit. The simplest argument is that some people are going to have to suck it up, and if it comes down to a matter of who has to, based on the least cost and the most favorable outcome (which, namely, should be "more peace, less hate", then these days anti-gays are going to have a hard time. But ask yourself, who, at what point is one committing disrespect?
If you can respect somebody from a distance, you can respect somebody from any distance.
And leave Australia's convict history out of it- you'll invoke all kinds of complications (the less-than-admirable genocide of the Aborigine population, for one), besides I've already implied that this is beside the point.
You can't just generalise all 'Christians' into these categories. It is indeed possible to be pro gay marriage and pro choice and yet remain Christian. It has no effect on the core belief that Jesus was resurrected.
Most Christians interpret that you should be pro life and anti gay because of Jesus' teachings. It doesn't really have to do with the belief that Jesus is the Son of God. Then again, I have no problem with gays, but I'm a Christian. But that's a bit off topic.
Typical backwards conservative logic. To any Christian Jesus' teachings should take precedent over the somewhat warlike Old Testament.
But wars to protect people, not wars for glory, can be fought. Just not insane wars over land or money, like the Crusades. They were a moral failure.
Most Christians interpret that you should be pro life and anti gay because of Jesus' teachings.
*mumble* Is that not all from the old Testament? All the "being gay is baaad", "killing anything is baaaaad"... The ten commandments and that. Jesus' teachings were more like guidelines to being a better person, without hatred or prejudice...
Hmm, you're right. All the Bible just gets jumbled in my head sometimes . Anyway, my point was that most Christians are that way. So while we shouldn't generalize, it is fairly accurate for a generalization.
Hmm, you're right. All the Bible just gets jumbled in my head sometimes . Anyway, my point was that most Christians are that way. So while we shouldn't generalize, it is fairly accurate for a generalization.
The ones having the loudest voices are the ones getting the attention. Which usually means that those are the Christians being seen the most. There is a reason why you know about Jehova's Witnesses or Scientology, and a reason why people knew a lot about the Moon movement earlier (what are they doing these days?) I think it might be more accurate to say "most Christians in more religious countries are that way". Hardly any Christians in DK is gay hating, they actually seem to not care a horribly lot (about anything, not even being a Christian), or at least they do not voice it. On the other hand it seems that especially the US has very loud Christians with these opinions.
On the other hand it seems that especially the US has very loud Christians with these opinions.
Well, that explains why it seems that way to me. Although, I know many Christians that don't really care one way or the other. But watching TV gives me that perspective.
You can't just generalise all 'Christians' into these categories. It is indeed possible to be pro gay marriage and pro choice and yet remain Christian. It has no effect on the core belief that Jesus was resurrected.
Like I said I believe that gay marriage is something that Christians should be for, and about being pro-choice well I've never heard a good scriptural argument about how you can be a christian and pro-choice so I maintain the idea that being pro-choice and christian is wrong.
Typical backwards conservative logic. To any Christian Jesus' teachings should take precedent over the somewhat warlike Old Testament.
Er? Excuse me but aren't you just being prejudice and using um liberal logic, whatever that may be (again moderate much better) by saying that? We have to remember what we came from, we can't just be like oh Jesus is here bye bye old testament, but again we can't ignore the new testament so thats were the argument gets started.
Er? Excuse me but aren't you just being prejudice and using um liberal logic, whatever that may be (again moderate much better) by saying that?
No I'm actually statung a fact. Where the Old and New Testament conflict with each other, Jesus' teachings take precedent. I'm not saying you forget the Old Testament completely.
Yeah, well, I know one which I'm going to summarise as "don't be a Pharisee and love thy neighbor"
I'm confused as to what you mean. Do you mean pro-life people shouldn't judge pro-choice people or bring harm upon them? Because if that's all you mean, I agree. But if this stands as why a Christian should be pro-choice, please explain. I'm a bit confused.
