ForumsWEPRDoes our quality of life justify Capitalism?

92 10828
thelistman
offline
thelistman
1,416 posts
Shepherd

Iâm a left-winger, thereâs no hiding it. But at the same time, I canât deny that Capitalism has created a high quality of life in the Western world. Our life expectancy is through the roof, and ever increasing. We have enough food and water to feed the planet 3 times over. We are spoiled beyond belief with our electronics, leisure time, big houses, etc. But does this high quality of life justify Capitalismâs existence?

Capitalism is basically where the means of production are privately controlled, rather than owned by the state, commune, workers, etc. Most people credit Adam Smith with being the first Capitalist thinker. Compared to Feudalism, Capitalism was a liberal economic system. Let me say that again: Capitalism was liberal! It may sound odd, considering that itâs conservatives who champion this system. It was a great system compared to what people in the past had to suffer. Slavery, serfdom, feudalism were all terrible economic systems. The development of Capitalism allowed the poor to have a chance. The rise of Capitalism coincided with the rise of Parliamentary Democracy and a more powerful middle class.

But just like Karl Marxâs Communism, people misinterpret Adam Smithâs ideals. Adam Smith was the first to warn people against Corporations. He said, âThe directors of such companies (corporations) ... being the managers rather of other people's money rather than of their own, it cannot well be expected that they should watch over it with the same anxious vigilance with which [they would] watch over their own⦠Negligence and profusion, therefore, must always prevail, more or less, in the management of the affairs of such a company."1 In other words, Corporations are wasteful. He believed that Corporations were against free market principles. Smith even said that perfect liberty could only be achieved with perfect markets and with perfect competition. Obviously, Smith even knew that perfect Capitalism was a fairy tale.

Capitalism is a fairy tale because people are not perfect. Capitalism teaches people to be individualistic and self-centered. People in Capitalistic societies are breed to love money, and hate others. âFurthermore, Smith did not advocate a market system based on unrestrained greed. He was talking about small farmers and artisans trying to get the best price for their products to provide for themselves and their families. That is self-interestâ"but it is not greed. Greed is a high paid corporate executive firing 10,000 employees and then rewarding himself with a multimillion dollar bonus for having saved the company so much money. Greed is what the economic system being constructed by the corporate libertarians encourages and rewards.â2 A Capitalistic system causes people to think about themselves, rather than the overall good of society.

The âfree marketâ has turned into a corporate elite system. A very small percentage owns the vast majority of the means of production. Is this real Capitalism? Not at all. Orthodox Capitalism, in theory, rewards people for their work. But in this age of elite corporate oligarchs, people are not rewarded for the work they do. Hereâs a couple examples of what I mean. When we look at music artists, over 90% of the money earned on CD sales goes straight to the record company, not the music artist. Inventors rarely get the money they are due either. Their profits usually go to the corporation who they are employed by. Videogame developers get very little, because publishers like EA Games get most of the profit, despite the fact that the developer made the game.

Capitalism also employs the idea of profits before people. Now a Capitalist would argue that profits drive people to do better, thus, it helps the people in the end. But can a Capitalist explain why 50 million Americans do not have Health Insurance? Why did the world Health Organization rank the US 72nd/191st in the world for overall health, and 37th in the world overall in health care performance?3 Why are countries like Spain, Sweden, Norway, and Britain ranked higher? They have national health care, rather than privately owned health care. Countries in Europe (as well as some others) believe in people before profits. This has given them a much better, and more equal health care system. People cannot be turned away, or rejected a surgery because they are poor. People have thrown away their individualism and turned to equality and the betterment of society, even if it means they pay more taxes.

Letâs turn away from the Western world for a minute. Ask someone from Mexico if Corporate America has made their world better. Ask someone from Indonesia or Bangladesh who works in a Nike sweatshop if Corporate America has made their life better. Definitely not. Conservatives talk about how illegal immigration is at an all time high in America. Of course, they blame the âlazy Mexicans and Latinosâ who are just too lazy to get jobs in their native countries. They are just here to commit crime and take our jobs, Republicans and Democrats say. (I call Democrats âconservativesâ too. They support this Capitalist, elitist, imperialist, society just as much as Republicans do).

But has any mainstream American politician asked themselves âwhy do illegal immigrants come here?â They would never dare ask that question. Because the answer is that Corporate America has invaded their nation. Most Mexicans make less than a dollar a day because corporate America has invaded their nation, set up shop, and forced honest workers out of business. Deals like NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement) allow Corporate America into poor nations to exploit the people. The only way for an average Mexican (or Latin American) to make a decent living is to move to the US and hope that they can land a job.

If you look at the disparity between rich and poor throughout the world, it has increased the most in Latin America.4 That is because American corporate elites, in the name of Capitalism and âfree trade,â are allowed to invade these nations and exploit the people.

Most Americans could care less about the exploitation throughout this world. But guess what!? That inequality is going to hit home very soon. It is pathetic that an issue has to hit home before Americans actually care, but that is the sad nature of our society. The United States is already extremely unequal in income equality. How much longer will it be before the average American cannot afford to eat? But most Americans will not care until it actually becomes an issue.

Now let me ask, where has Conservatism got us in this world? I donât just mean recent history. I mean all of world history. No one right now would justify slavery or feudalism. But back when these systems existed, conservative thinkers would justify these systems. It took liberal, left thinking minds to take down these systems. It took extreme liberals to tear down serfdom in Russia, slavery in the US, and Feudalism in Europe. These extreme liberals made the world a better place. They provided us with the Capitalist, democratic system we live in. But now we need more liberal minded people to change the world again. We can no longer survive in a corporate system where the gap between rich and poor is staggering. We cannot stand by while half of the people in the world make less than two dollars a day. It is time for a change.

Capitalists back during the Industrial Revolution were not afraid of change. They believed in a more equal society where everyone could make it. Now that Capitalism has failed the world, people need to be more open to a new system. Be like those Capitalists hundreds of years ago. They rejected the conservative banter to create a better society. Now it is time for Capitalists to reject the conservative mindset and to move to the left for a more equal society.

To use a familiar example, when slaves were freed after the American Civil War, they did not just accept the current system as it was. African Americans continued to fight for change. They didnât sit back and say âHEY! Weâre free! Our quality of life is better than it has ever been! Letâs keep it this way!â Despite having more freedom (according to law) they did not end their struggle there. They continued to fight for equality. I guess what Iâm trying to say is that we can always strive for a better life. We shouldnât stop here and keep things the way they are just because things are good. There is always room for improvement, even if that means dismantling the Capitalist system we live under.

1 Forbes.com (I forgot to get the exact link, but it was on the Forbes website)
2 http://deoxy.org/korten_betrayal.htm
3http://www.who.int/whr/2000/en/annex01_en.pdf
4http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Gini_Coefficient_World_Human_Development_Report_2007-2008.png (the higher the number, the higher the gap between rich and poor).

  • 92 Replies
Zootsuit_riot
offline
Zootsuit_riot
1,523 posts
Nomad

I think it's a stretch to say it's on a par with America. I'd say it's definitely more capitalist than it is communist though. Fo' sho.


I'm cool with that too.
FireflyIV
offline
FireflyIV
3,224 posts
Nomad

Using China as an example though, pre the communist revolution, they had about a 15% share of the world GDP, mostly due to their massive population. However after the red uprising, that share dropped to 2%. This isn't taking a bash at communist ideology, mind, it's more of a testament to the benefits of free markets.

Zootsuit_riot
offline
Zootsuit_riot
1,523 posts
Nomad

But the GDP ONLY measures economic growth; many studies indicate that the quality life (Based on amount of charities, nonprofit organizations, and various other factors) declines in a direct correlation with the growth of the GDP, meaning that as companies and businesses thrive, the needs of the individual fail to be met.

FireflyIV
offline
FireflyIV
3,224 posts
Nomad

As far as I know, the quality of life fell under Mao, as the allocation of resources was extremely wasteful and of course corrupt. I'd say the government should stay the hell out of resource allocation, and to let the market do it's job.

IPwnU2Day
offline
IPwnU2Day
395 posts
Nomad

China is just about as capitalist as the United States


Dream on. The Chinese government takes 85% of every workers' salary. That is not capitalist, it's communist.
Zootsuit_riot
offline
Zootsuit_riot
1,523 posts
Nomad

I'd say the government should stay the hell out of resource allocation, and to let the market do it's job.


Not even in China, in the United States as well. Check out comparisons of the GDP and the GPI, the General Progress Indicator. In basically ever chart you'll find that there is a negative correlation between the two.
FireflyIV
offline
FireflyIV
3,224 posts
Nomad

That's not necessarily due to economic growth per se, but the means by which this is achieved. During the past 10 years, economies all over the Western world have adopted similar techniques, borrowing huge sums of money, complete deregulation etc. This mode of ultra capitalism has proven unsustainable, however there are some nations that have stood out, for example Germany, whose social market system has created conditions allowing slow, but long term growth, keeping in line with the common household. In short, free markets are not inherently flawed, but the way they have been abused by most nations seems to indicate so.

Zootsuit_riot
offline
Zootsuit_riot
1,523 posts
Nomad

In short, free markets are not inherently flawed, but the way they have been abused by most nations seems to indicate so.


I see what you're saying. I agree that a free market would be good, but the way people handle themselves with money and the means to make more is absurd and can't be trusted.
FireflyIV
offline
FireflyIV
3,224 posts
Nomad

I see what you're saying. I agree that a free market would be good, but the way people handle themselves with money and the means to make more is absurd and can't be trusted.


I see two problems with a complete free market.

1) Greed. Pretty much ruins everything, starts monpolies and monopsonies.

2) There's a theory known as 'Economic Man'. This makes the assumption that human beings are rational creatures, and therefore make rational economic decisions. However, many psychological studies contradict this assumption, showing humans, under many different conditions, to be completely irrational, misallocating their own economic resources.

That's why complete free markets can never work, but with some tweaking, I think it's the best system there is.
VoteSocialist
offline
VoteSocialist
950 posts
Nomad

Capitalism is undemocratic compared to socialism. However i have to hand it to you right-wingers, it does do good with delveloping nations.

But at what cost!? In Britan we have poor little boys working in factories and getting sick while ruthless land owevers control the wealth and the economy. We have industries heartlessly cutting down forests for the sake of profit, and we have workers and consumers endlessly getting ripped off because there is no incentive for capitalists to make a legit buissness.

And because of that, the United States' economy is going no where but up and down endlessly. The rich don't care about you, they care only about themselves and their family and will use any arguement to keep it that way! I'm not saying that rich people are all like that, some of them do care about their workers, but not enough do I'm sad to say.

I say we ditch capitalism for socialism! I say we put the economy under the control of the tax paying citizens! Not the direct government like Stalin and not the corporations like Bush allowed! Just the people sharing what the company makes amongst themselves according to how hard their coworkers work and how long. Think about it comrades, we would be spreading democracy to the economy rather than choking and excluding it from the economy and the work place!

I say we end this terrible economic system and make a left-wing nation out of America and the nations of Europe! Even if we could put the essentials like electricity and food in the hands of the state and leave accessories to the private fat cats that would be an improvement! Let's fight for socialism through a non-violent democratic revolution!

thelistman
offline
thelistman
1,416 posts
Shepherd

I've waited over 4 weeks to have cancerous tissue removed. It's pretty common-place.

My grandparents waited years in the US to get a cancer removed. My grandma died waiting, even though the insurance covered the operation. I think 4 weeks is better than years.

VoteSocialist
offline
VoteSocialist
950 posts
Nomad

My grandparents waited years in the US to get a cancer removed. My grandma died waiting, even though the insurance covered the operation. I think 4 weeks is better than years.


This "capitalism" must end at once! I lost a grandfather and three uncles to cancer!
donpiet
offline
donpiet
755 posts
Peasant

This "capitalism" must end at once! I lost a grandfather and three uncles to cancer!


it is not thw fault of capitalism as a system but of the bad healthcare system in the united states.
Zootsuit_riot
offline
Zootsuit_riot
1,523 posts
Nomad

it is not thw fault of capitalism as a system but of the bad healthcare system in the united states.


It's the fault of a healthcare system which is designed to make bundles for companies rather than keep people healthy.
VoteSocialist
offline
VoteSocialist
950 posts
Nomad

It's the fault of a healthcare system which is designed to make bundles for companies rather than keep people healthy.


Agreed.

I think that, if it is discovered that true socialism doesn't work and you absolutely need a free market in bigger areas, the government should at least hold on to the healthcare system, the oil companies, and the electricity. That way, folks can't say they are at the mercy of greedy coporations.
Showing 16-30 of 92