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Anyone ready for the return of the Nephilim?

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This is not a thread to "debate" the Bible. Those of you who are coming here to only seek argument by spite will find no audience with me. I have seen this type on the net for more than 10 years and have learned it is akin to arguing with a fence post.


pardon me then I was under the impression this was a biblical debate.

I have never said I am here to &quotrove" anything. Nor is the onus on me to do so. I am here as I have said throughout this thread to help those who are seeking answers to the same questions I have had since I was a 10 year old about "Aliens" and UFOs.


I don't think there is anything paranormal going on with aliens or UFOs. UFO by definition is a flying object we can't identify nothing more nothing less. As to what the unidentified object is sometimes the only honest answer we can give is, we don't know. Does this mean it's automatically something from another planet? No, I think the best thing to do when looking for answers is to use acoms razor 'the simplest answer is usually the right answer'.

With aliens in many cases I have heard can often be linked to sleep paralysis. This is where a person is half asleep half awake. In this state a person is unable to move and often get the feeling of not being alone even seeing things in the room with them. In the past people reported demons or the famous old hag. Now this doesn't explain all cases of course but it does cover a good number of them.

I have since educated myself in this subject over the past 3 decades on just what the "occupants" of these UFOs are. I have gone to great length to give you my opinion and have made that clear.


Seeing as I figured this to be a Biblical debate and others would seem to have the same thoughts on the matter perhaps you could explain one more time. Sorry to make you repeat yourself.

For those who want &quotroof", the problem with this sort of person is the standard of said proof can never be set to a point where the seeker will be satisfied. Why? Because no matter how much evidence is supplied, the person demanding &quotroof" instead chooses not to be intellectually honest and basically says, "Don't confuse me with the facts".


You can offer sufficient proof to me. For me there is sufficient proof for evolution, there is sufficient proof for gravity, there is even enough proof on the table for me to seriously consider string or M theory.

Besides I don't see how any questions can be answered if you or anyone else is not willing to show proof. Is it possible that your reasoning is flawed yes it's also possible you may be on to something.

Again, this thread is about the topic of the Nephilim as spoken of in Genesis 6:4. There is not a question about it. That is the topic. Yes, there are some side bar issues such as the tie-ins to the Scripture passage because of the need to explain the theory of the Nephilim.


Okay on the topic of the Nephilim. I find it unlikely they ever really existed. I also don't think we will come to any real answers if all we're going to use is the Bible.

However with that said I do see the similarities between modern extra terrestrial stories of hybrid human/aliens and the Nephilim.

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What is Genesis 6:4, and what are the Nephilim?


Genesis 6:4 is a passage in the Bible.
The King James Version reads as such.

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.


The Nephilim are the giants mentioned in that passage born from a human female and an angel.

A similar example of such a hybrid in mythology would be Hercules born from Zeus and a mortal woman.
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I am not a lady, I just liked the lady hat over the lord hat.)


My Sincere apologies My Good Sir. I always seek to address each person correctly according to their armatars. So it is good to make the acquaintance of the Good Sir 117.

I must again apologize if I did not come across clearly. Actually saying the Nephilim are "Angelic Humans" would not be correct technically. In fact I believe it to be a misnomer. The reason being because these were fallen angels who mated with human women as you mentioned. I see where you can easily make the correlation but the reason I am rebutting that assertion is because there has been such a poison put into our society over the last twenty years that has an overtly strong fascination with angels.

You are correct that they were never meant to be. But to say that "some humans around the world, may have angelic blood in them" is what I call a dangerous assertion. Why? Because it is misleading. It sounds like a perfect Dan Brown novel in the making. Besides, if you were indeed a Nephilim, "Neat" is the last thing you would be. You would be damned for eternity for you have no soul since you are the offspring of an unholy union.

See? There is so much to this that the more you dig, the deeper it gets. The deeper it gets, the more you have to decide what is real and what is not. The only way to know is to 1) Pray for wisdom and insight from the God of the Bible. 2) Discern what you are studying. 3) Seek trusted sources that have proven they can stand the test of authenticity.

As I have said before on this thread, this doesn't even begin to scratch the surface but I must say Good Sir that you are asking very important questions. And even though we disagree on our points of view regarding the "novelty" so to speak of being an offspring of a fallen angel and a human woman, I am thankful that you are willing to stick your neck out and at least give your opinion on this very volatile topic.

I hope to hear more from you Good Sir 117 and hope you are not offended by my critique of your opinion on this topic.

I like to call this "Good dialogue" and hope others will engage in the same.

I have never said I have all the answers on this subject. I too am a student of this enigma. My reason for starting this thread is because I am convinced that Genesis 6:4 is a major clue to what will happen before the return of Jesus Christ and I want to be able to tell as many as I can what to expect. The reason being because when the Antichrist appears on the scene, the beginning of the final end is at hand. My question is, "Do you know where you will spend eternity?" I care. That is why I post.

Many blessings to you Good Sir.

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pardon me then I was under the impression this was a biblical debate


I do pardon you Good Squire Wolf. There is a difference between a "Biblical debate" and debating the Bible. Debating the Bible is not what this thread is about. I apologize to you Good Sir if I was not clear. Yes, we are free to have Biblical debating since the thread comes directly from the Bible. What I am saying is I will not be baited into getting off the subject at hand to follow rabbit trails that wind up derailing the purpose of the thread. I do hope and trust you understand where I am coming from.

I don't think there is anything paranormal going on with aliens or UFOs. UFO by definition is a flying object we can't identify nothing more nothing less. As to what the unidentified object is sometimes the only honest answer we can give is, we don't know. Does this mean it's automatically something from another planet? No, I think the best thing to do when looking for answers is to use acoms razor 'the simplest answer is usually the right answer'.


This is the great thing about free speech for you are more than welcome to disagree with my point of view that UFOs are not paranormal. I actually believe many of these that manifest out of nowhere and move at the speed that is inhumanly possible and turn at angles with such speed that are impossible under our laws of physics show plenty of evidence that we are dealing with something that we as humans are not able to produce much less withstand being inside such a craft. The rest of your conjecture I can agree with. Since you appeal to acoms razor what do you believe the UFO phenomena is?

With aliens in many cases I have heard can often be linked to sleep paralysis. This is where a person is half asleep half awake. In this state a person is unable to move and often get the feeling of not being alone even seeing things in the room with them. In the past people reported demons or the famous old hag. Now this doesn't explain all cases of course but it does cover a good number of them.


I completely agree with you on this matter. Much of what has happened many times is related to sleep paralysis and even the "Old hag" or "Night Hag" of the medieval ages.

http://z.about.com/d/paranormal/1/0/j/B/oldhag.gif

However, this does not explain the thousands of documented cases of "Abductees" who have reported being taken against their will to spaceships where scientific experiments have taken place on them to extract semen or ovaries and even worse.

Seeing as I figured this to be a Biblical debate and others would seem to have the same thoughts on the matter perhaps you could explain one more time. Sorry to make you repeat yourself.


My friend, you have this thread to use at your disposal. It is here for you. Take your time and peruse this thread. I cannot continue to repeat and repeat myself for there simply isn't enough time, especially when we are parsing our answers back and forth. I pray you understand and kindly heed my advice.

You can offer sufficient proof to me. For me there is sufficient proof for evolution, there is sufficient proof for gravity, there is even enough proof on the table for me to seriously consider string or M theory.

Besides I don't see how any questions can be answered if you or anyone else is not willing to show proof. Is it possible that your reasoning is flawed yes it's also possible you may be on to something.


Again I appeal to this existing thread that has already given ample evidence from my own opinions and the numerous links I have provided and will continue to provide.

Okay on the topic of the Nephilim. I find it unlikely they ever really existed. I also don't think we will come to any real answers if all we're going to use is the Bible.


I fully understand you not believing they ever existed. I have also sought to make this clear throughout this thread why this is hard to believe. This is a very difficult subject yet one I am determined to get out there as I can.

I also understand you not wanting the Bible anywhere near this conversation because it is my standard I use. Your request is one I have faced my entire Christian life. People want me to prove the Truths of the Bible without using the Bible. That is like asking to prove we are a free country without using the Declaration of Independence.

However, there are many outside sources or non-Biblical sources that show evidence that the Nephilim existed and I have provided links already and will continue to do so. Are you familiar with the history of the American Indian stories handed down for generations of giants they encountered throughout the Americas? If not, I will supply the links in time.

However with that said I do see the similarities between modern extra terrestrial stories of hybrid human/aliens and the Nephilim



I am glad we can come to a center of agreement. I can assure Good Sir Wolf that I will do everything in my power to give you the answers you rightfully are seeking and deserve to have. I ask for your patience as the older this thread gets, the more private messages I am receiving. I thank you in advance for your cooperation.

I do look forward to continue this dialogue. Please remember though, that it is difficult for me and unfair (in my opinion) to the others who are asking questions for us to continue the parsing of all our posts. I understand the reason I am just asking to see if we can trim down as much as we can for the good of all.

Thank you for taking part in this discussion Good Sir Wolf.

I pray you and your household are blessed in a way that you will find Him and know Him sooner rather than later.

Peace be yours Good Sir.
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The reason I say its a book written by men is because you are asking about teh fallen angels. This is writtin in a book that was written by men.

You also frequently source the "good book" which leads me to question your motive in at least SOME way, you are biast and so am I, but the legend of angels doesnt mean the book is true, which is where you are taking your info from... Its like me asking you to debate, seriously, about pooh bears mother and father and expecting people not to say "um... its a book, if we are talking reality then lets concentrate on the book as a reference only, not a source". It comes from a story book that bears only legends of reality. You cant argue about "facts" from the bible and expect me not to bring to question the authenticity of the book these musings arise from.

And those pictures are of a sloth, which I thought before I even read the whole story.

And one last note... swine flu. WTF. Please look at how many people have died from this flu and then look at what other common flus do to the world on a yearly basis. What the hell has angels got to do with men waging a propoganda war to keep YOU in check. I hope your daughter is fine, but she is in the high risk from "just about anything" zone that all kids and elderly are. DO NOT mix legend with money making corperations, it sours my mouth (or that could be the bad milk in my tea as well)

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Good Squire Gamer,
A quick refresher on this thread is to discuss the return of the Nephilim as spoken of in Genesis 6:4.
Throughout the thread I have been giving evidence for what I believe will be harbingers of the coming Great Deception that will take place on this earth as predicted by Jesus Christ in Matthew 24 as well as many other places throughout Scripture.
UFOs are part of the agenda to deceive mankind in my opinion. This subject is something I have been studying for the past 20-25 years of my life. As I have said in this thread several times, that makes me no expert by any means. It does mean however that I have knowledge and information that the common noble man or woman would normally not have.
That being said, I had noticed that GOOGLE had been advertising their signature with UFOs three times this month and had inquired as to why. The Good Lord Gantic was quick to respond to my query with speed in which I was very grateful. It gave me my answer to which I was so intrigued.
So again, please take a look at Genesis 6:4 if you haven't already, then cross reference that with Matthew 24.
Those are just starting points. I have laid out my beliefs all through this thread. Just a casual perusal should give you a decent understanding of where I am coming from.
The bottom line is this: I care about you; all of you and I don't want anybody to be deceived by the lying signs and wonders that will come upon this earth at the revealing of the lawless one...the Antichrist.
You don't have to believe me. But I must do what I must do and that is sharing my opinion because I care about each of you deeply. I mean that sincerely.
May all who enter this thread this day be blessed in many, many ways.
Peace to all.
RM24

Ah yes thankyou RM24 on the quick refreshner. By the way did you notice the bitten apple at the apple company's logo? That looks very suspicious to me, like the time Eve took a bite out of an apple out of the forbbiden tree?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1140/1388123188_35aa85fc4d.jpg
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The reason I say its a book written by men is because you are asking about teh fallen angels. This is writtin in a book that was written by men.


My Good Squire Munky,

Any person of intellect knows the Bible was "written by men". What you and many others sadly refuse to believe is that God inspired these men who wrote the Bible.

Now I know that because of your own self confessed "biast" which is accurately spelled "Biased", you will not accept little if anything I will in turn answer.

This is why I do not entertain rabbit trails. They lead only to circles. You not surprisingly want evidence that the Bible is a credible "source". I fully understand that but first I want you to understand that never once have I said the words "Good Book" on this site and never will.

Now, this is the only time I am going to answer your question because it is taking my time away from the topic of this thread. If you really want to debate the Bible I am sure you can create your own thread. I am not trying to be rude. The problem is that no matter how many times I answer, there always comes along another who wants to hear the answer all over again for the first time dedicated only to them.

Good Sir, by your own declaration above it appears obvious you have not sought out information on your own for extra-Biblical "sources".

I will give you some help.

First and foremost is the obvious Flavius Josephus the famous Jewish historian.

Next we have Tacitus the Roman Historian.

Next there is a man by the name of Thallus who was a historian of the Eastern Mediterranean area.

We also have Pliny the Younger who wrote ten books that we know of; the last sometime around 12 AD.

There is also The Talmud which I assume you already know of.

We also have the Greek writer Lucian.

You notice I have not given any information about what these people have actually written. That is for you to research, providing you are willing. I have done you a huge favor by giving you a starting point, assuming again that you truly want to know the Truth which you imply you are seeking.

Again, this is all I will say, give or answer on this question for it quickly becomes redundant and leads completely away from the topic at hand as it has already done just by my responding to you. Again, I pray you understand I mean you no ill will in my response but will respect where I am coming from. As I said, if you want to debate the Bible, I am sure you can begin your own thread and do so but I would imagine with not a great deal of thought that one if not several of these types of threads already exist here on AG.

And those pictures are of a sloth, which I thought before I even read the whole story.


Yes, I made it clear in my post that (or so I thought) I believed this was certainly no Nephilim...only a very interesting story to some.

And one last note... swine flu. WTF. Please look at how many people have died from this flu and then look at what other common flus do to the world on a yearly basis. What the hell has angels got to do with men waging a propoganda war to keep YOU in check. I hope your daughter is fine, but she is in the high risk from "just about anything" zone that all kids and elderly are. DO NOT mix legend with money making corperations, it sours my mouth (or that could be the bad milk in my tea as well)


You have truly lost me here. I have no idea where your thought process is trying to lead you. I honestly apologize but I don't know where you were trying to go with this.

It is my pleasure to make you acquaintance Good Sir and again I do hope you understand where I am coming from. I have given you many names to help you on your own journey that you seem to want answers for. They are there if you are willing to not just do a quick search but actually do homework. That is what it takes to become a good apologist.

If you would like to discuss the topic of Genesis 6:4 and the Nephilim by actually following the thread I will be more than happy to accommodate you. Otherwise I am afraid this will be last response you will hear from me. My reasons I pray have been made clear.

Please forgive me if I come across as discourteous. I assure that is not my intention. I only desire to be concise in my explanation. I thank you in advance for your understanding.

May you find many blessings upon you and your house this day Good Sir.

RM24
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Ah yes thankyou RM24 on the quick refreshner. By the way did you notice the bitten apple at the apple company's logo? That looks very suspicious to me, like the time Eve took a bite out of an apple out of the forbbiden tree?


Greetings again Good Squire Gamer,

Yes I have noticed that over the years and once looked into it. It appears Steve Jobs was giving a tribute to the "fruit of the Tree of Knowledge". I agree that one can say it does look "suspicious". I have no doubt there is a plethora of conspiracy theories out there regarding the bite taken out.

It gladdens my heart to hear you say you are thankful for the quick refresher. I pray it has piqued your interest to look further into this enigma known as the Nephilim. But more than that, to know the One who has defeated not only the Nephilim, but the creator of them.

So good to see you again good Sir.

I pray you are found richly blessed today.

RM24
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My friends,

As promised I will continue to give links to help in the understanding of the topic of this thread and to provide evidence that is obviously needed for the reason why I believe the Genesis 6:4 account to be true.

Here you will find a site that is very intriguing to say the least. This is a site that helps counsel people from all over the world who have gone through the experience, not the "old hag" syndrome, but the experience of alien abductions. Not only that, but it goes into great detail of why the "Aliens" are not really space beings at all or UFOnauts as some call them. The site also has over 60 personal testimonies of people from all over the world who share their own personal experience. You are able be the judge of their credibility. I fully expect you to do so.

What intrigues me about this site is that it is honest. By that I mean they aren't here to promote themselves in order to sell their products. They have no products to sell. They are here to minister, to give advice and to tell the Truth to any who dare listen.

Please take a look as time allows and peruse the sight. I know many of you will find it informative while no doubt others will laugh it off. The choice belongs solely to you.

May God be with you all and bless each of you who enter this thread today.

RM24

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The site also has over 60 personal testimonies of people from all over the world who share their own personal experience.


Unfortunately personal experience can't be used as proof for anything.
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Unfortunately personal experience can't be used as proof for anything.


Point taken. I am sure Jackie Kennedy's experience didn't prove that her husband's head was blown off right in front of her eyes.

Sometimes my Good Squire Wolf, you can't see the forest for the trees. And some times, people just don't want to see forest anyway. They just want to say love being in the woods.

Blessings to you Good Sir.

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Point taken. I am sure Jackie Kennedy's experience didn't prove that her husband's head was blown off right in front of her eyes.


If we just had her saying this happened with nothing else to back it up no it wouldn't be proof. The situations of his death were poorly handled but we did have his body to autopsy video footage of the even other eye witnesses. We were able to recreate the even resulting in similar results. But anyway this is getting off the topic of one conspiracy theory and on to another.

The question that needs to be asked not just in one step but in every step isn't "If this is real?" but "Is this real?"

Faith can't be used as evidence or proof for anything.

Personal Experience can't be used as evidence or proof proof for anything.

If your making a foundation with this you have no foundation and thus will not be able to arrive at an accurate answer.
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Personal Experience can't be used as evidence or proof proof for anything.


My Good Squire Wolf,

Your entire argument that has taken us completely off topic...just committed suicide. The reason? Your logic has no logic, just rhetoric.

Take your own words again:

Personal Experience can't be used as evidence or proof proof for anything.


Your own personal experience of your own words to back up your argument that &quotersonal experience can't be used as evidence or proof for anything" means that what you just said is worthless because there is no way to prove what you are saying is true.

You just canceled yourself out of this argument by trying to be overly logical. Your want of logic just went out the window Kind Sir. There comes a time when one must take a step back and realize that good old fashioned common sense is sometimes a better choice than man's want of what he sees as a more lofty superior logic.

I will end this here with your own words that actually prove my point about your point of view:

If your making a foundation with this you have no foundation and thus will not be able to arrive at an accurate answer.


You said it friend.

I pray you find peace and blessings this day Good Sir Wolf.
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Your own personal experience of your own words to back up your argument that &quotersonal experience can't be used as evidence or proof for anything" means that what you just said is worthless because there is no way to prove what you are saying is true.


No I say personal experience can't be used as proof not just based on my personal experience. We have done repeatable tests showing that what a single person experiences can be flawed. Not only that but people can and will lie. This is why we have to use an outside source to verify any claim made and why ones personal experience can't be used.

Now back to the main topic. This whole topic started with the assertion that the Nephilim are real, rather then asking are the Nephilim real?
Anyone ready for the return of the Nephilim?


For something to return we have to first assume it's real.

So how do we go about proving weather they were real or fake?
Physical evidence can be good.
Do we have any giant bones?
Do we have any giant dna?
To a lesser extent do we have any physical signs on the earth such as footprints.

If we don't come up with anything then the simplest answer is they didn't exist.

I'm get the impression that what you really want is for people to just agree with what you say and go from there, and it's just not going to happen.
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This is why we have to use an outside source to verify any claim made and why ones personal experience can't be used.


My Good Squire Wolf, you are either forgetting something very obvious or you are from a country not called the USA.

What I mean by that is it is in fact one's personal "experience" that is allowed in a court of law to help acquit or indict a person. That person's personal experience is called their "Eye witness testimony". This is why I find your reasoning bordering on fanatical for the sake of just being disagreeable. And this I find disappointing in your Good Sir.

This whole topic started with the assertion that the Nephilim are real, rather then asking are the Nephilim real?


Yes it did start with the assertion that the Nephilim are real because I believe not just the Bible but the evidence from the Bible and sources from all over the world that corroborates this evidence.

I get the distinct feeling that you have not just completely skipped reading all the evidence I have been providing throughout this thread but have just come in on the tail end and started arguing on your own preconceived ideas about what is in this thread. If that is so, I find that sad and am disappointed in you yet again Good Sir.

Do we have any giant bones?


Have you read this entire thread?

Do we have any giant dna?


Have you read this entire thread?

Do we have any giant dna?


Have you read this entire thread?

To a lesser extent do we have any physical signs on the earth such as footprints.


Have you read this entire thread?

I'm get the impression that what you really want is for people to just agree with what you say and go from there, and it's just not going to happen.


It is a funny thing Good Squire Wolf, for when I read your accusation, it was as if you were speaking the same of yourself.

Now, I would like to declare that I was purposely blunt in my answers to you and I have sufficient reason for being so. In no way do I ever want to be rude to anyone or even come across as rude or uncaring. However, your unending questions without a seeming desire to actually do the homework requested throughout this thread of all readers does in my mind qualify you as someone who has totally ignored all the entries I have made in this thread along with numerous links.

With these entries and links I have gone out of my way to make it clear that those who are sincere about finding out plenteous illumination about this subject are given more than ample information to begin their journey to what I have described repeatedly as a paradigm shift in thinking. I believe you are not willing to make that shift no matter the evidence given you. I pray I am wrong for indeed I am praying for you Good Sir.

I do believe you have a desire to learn Good Squire Wolf. It just appears evident that you don't want to know that Truth because that would mean you would have to change. And all of us who have been on the side you are currently on, a.k.a. "The Other Side" know what it means to make that change.

But I will do you a favor. I don't want to assume you are lazy and haven't read the entire thread and are just coming here to stir up any dirt you can for no other reason than the fact is...you can. I am going to give you a link that again requires for the student and searcher who is interested in this subject to take some time. I am asking that you not just skim over this link. It is you who demand evidence in spite of the fact it has been offered fairly and consistently throughout this thread.

For example Good Squire Wolf, did you read the article I provided about the huge stone spear heads found on an African lake bed? It even has pictures with scale to provide what common folk would consider evidence. As a matter of fact, it wasn't just common folk who considered it evident, it was the scientific community.

Now, back to the favor. Remember, you must not skim over it and consider it biased hype for as you read along you will notice it is thorough and historically valid. That being said, I readily admit I do not agree with the entire article. I pray you understand I do not take just any story about the Nephilim and Giants and believe this to be Gospel.

I trust you are more than this.

Now here is the link I request you take a good long look at. Don't worry. If you come back with "This is not proof" I will be ready with yet even more evidence you choose to believe as evidence that leads to proof or not. After all, that is the purpose of this thread.

Blessings to you this day Good Sir Wolf and I pray that God of the Bible open your eyes in His time and in the mean time, bring me and others who desire to see you to come to the Truth, patience to wait and educate.

Peace.

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I tired. You clearly will not be doing any form of real research and I am done wasting my time here.

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