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VoteSocialist
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For whoever has read the communist manifesto or has an interest in the subject, lend me your ears!


Karl Marx, a German philosopher exiled from Germany and later other European nations such as France for his radical views and animosity towards the government. He settled down in London with his colleague Friedrick Engels. It was there that in 1847 the communist league commissioned these two brilliant men to write down their theories which was to be translated into English, French, Russian, Italian, Polish, Spanish and any other major European language.

In this book, Marx and Engels attempt to explain the goals of communism. They divided the Manifesto into four sections, detailing the relationships between the Bourgeoisie and the proletarians, relationships between the communists and the proletarians, one targeting flawed socialist literature of the past and finally the fourth section tackles the relationship between the communists and other parties. They also describe how class relationships are influenced by the means of production and analyze the past; saying that the history of man is the history of class struggles. Marx and Engels specifically attack capitalism, which they argue is naturally unstable and will tremble and fall before the members of the proletariat ( urban workers ) via a [/i]communistic revolution[i]. However, Marx and Engels point out that this sort of revolution is supposed to happen naturally will be different from all previous revolutions in history. This is because all revolutions have forwarded all of the property to a new higher class. The communist revolution would involve the victorious proletarians throwing away all of their private property and thereby making no classes.

My Opinion:


After all of Marx's predictions, history has proven otherwise. Socialism by itself was not as impractical as Marx said compared with his communism and capitalism made nations very powerful without having a huge amount of upheaval during times when the economy was reasonable. Former powers such as the USSR and Red China under Mao tried to simulate the Manifesto in their own countries prematurely and the result was not a utopia owned by all working men and women. Instead the government, under a harsh dictator almost everytime, directly controlled the lives of all men and women; basically making the nations they ruled industrialized dumps for slaves getting no reward for hard work and having even fewer rights than they did under their previous system. Communism ( or what it had devolved to ) ended up completely failing the 20th century and killing off over 100 million people directly and indirectly. Socialism never became a communist utopia, instead of the workers democratically making the decisions dictators make decisions for them.

However, one thing that I'd have to give Karl Marx credit for is his predictions that eventually capitalism will grow to the extent that every nation is dependent upon capitalism and the industrial bourgeoisie. Every nation, regardless of how barbaric its practices, will become attached to the internationally growing market, or economic globalization as we now call it. It's very possible that all borders will be erased because of the fact that globalization will cause any and all nations to become so dependant upon each other that if they split or declared war on each other they'd be committing suicide. Eventually, maybe people would look back at the Manifesto and see that although Marx's theories are flawed they hold some amount of logic and truth. Perhaps some people will acutally revolt in order to make a statelss/classless society ( Or maybe just a pure socialism ). Perhaps they'll see that capitalism is evil to them and that the rich are given an unfair share sometime far off in the future. Capitalism will one day outgrow itself here on earth after all, Marx said it would and so did other economic thoerists. And with rising oil prices, we are in the and very beginning, not really that far in though, of feeling those effects. But that is only a little possibility after globalization is complete after all. Maybe we will get a perfect capitalist or socialistic system without any need for true Marxism, or maybe not.

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VoteSocialist
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First paragraph is a little screwy. O_o

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Union#Dissolution_of_the_USSR

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_Democratic_Revolution_in_Mongolia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GULAG

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_terror

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_Yugoslavia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_Czechoslovakia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_split

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_reunification

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Poland_%281989%E2%80%93present%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_1991_events_in_Latvia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China


Socialism sure does work...

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I actually read your whole post at like...8 am this morning, lol. Don't really have a comment...but socialism usually does work better than communism. Communism just doesn't work in our society, people always want to get ahead of each other.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolutio ⦠nSocialism sure does work...


Read the original post instead of assuming what its about and posting a link smartass.
Green12324
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Which will always happen with communism >.<


Then it's totalitarianism though. Communism doesn't have dictators.
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Manifesto sounds something out of Stalin's lair

One of the definitions of Manifesto:
A public declaration of principles, policies, or intentions, especially of a political nature.
Green12324
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But one way or another it will most likely end up as that


True <.< people are just too greedy. If we weren't communism would be perfect.
Darkroot
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Yeah the fact is communism isn't flawed were are >.<.. oh well.

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Marx had a good idea but it failed in execution.

ColonelAaron
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Common missspelled word, I did mean Satan. Lolz.

VoteSocialist
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Which will always happen with communism >.<
Manifesto sounds something out of Satan's lair :/




You obviously have never read the Communist Manifesto nor ever learned about pure Marxism. There is no dictator in Marx's theory. He only mentions a dictatorship when he says "the dictatorship of the proletariat" pertaining to the proletariat calling all the shots. Never did Marx want someone like Vladimir Lenin or Joseph Stalin taking all the power for themselves and telling the workers what they should and shouldn't do. A dictatorship in which everything is nationalized but not controlled by the workers directly and democratically is not truly socialism my friends. Even Lenin ( who wasn't exactly a Marxist but had some very good ideas for a democratic socialist state ) said "Democracy is indispensable to socialism." ( Whether or not Lenin actually wanted to make democratic reform on behalf of the workers can never be proven without questioning. )
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Vladimir Lenin did not take all the power for himself, he was a mere Chairman and the Founder of the Soviet Union. He was thought of evil by his &quotretiseror" Stalin whom did not even do anything to claim his rank. He claimed Lenin wanted him to be his pretisesor, but this was a lie of course. HE wanted Troski to become the next leader.

VoteSocialist
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Vladimir Lenin was the one who spearheaded the revolution and said "Follow me and I will make your lives better!" I personally think that you could argue as to whether or not he actually wanted to help democracy and the well-being of the workers but that is another debate.

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People need to stop saying communism is dictatorship, and need to read Das Kapital. Maybe that will change your minds.

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The only reason communism doesnt work is because humans are dumbbells, witch mkes me a dumbbell aswell -_-.

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