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danny105
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I was thinking: God is the king; but what about all the saints ? Some people pray to them more than they pray to God. You can find the same thing in the Greek religion: Zeus is the ultimate god, but there are many more smaller gods that represent something. So, is christianism a montheist religion?

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Xavier1
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Yes.. because religion is a child of logic...


Now you're getting it!
samy
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Some Christians are, but not all are - the Trinitirians believe in three gods - god the father, god the son, and god the holy ghost.

It is logically impossible for them to be both exactly the same and totally different at the same time, so don't even try it.


Why is everyone on here madly obsessed with logic? Human logic is so primative and bias that saying "it's logically impossible" barley holds up.
deserteagle
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NOOO!! Not the logic debate again! That one always makes my head hurt.
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Human logic is so primative and bias that saying "it's logically impossible" barley holds up.


I'll just recycle the same statement a few topics ago:

I think you and I both know that it is logically impossible for a pig to suddenly sprout a horn or a tree that stands on its roots and starts reciting Hamlet Act 1 Scene 3 while doing the chicken dance. Logic isn't bias at all it is what simple makes the most sense. ( Granted some things make more sense to others..)
samy
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I think you and I both know that it is logically impossible for a pig to suddenly sprout a horn or a tree that stands on its roots and starts reciting Hamlet Act 1 Scene 3 while doing the chicken dance. Logic isn't bias at all it is what simple makes the most sense. ( Granted some things make more sense to others..)


Back to what I've said before. Well first if you never saw a pig you wouldn't know this was impossible so logic is based directly on knowledge and because humans have no where close to absolute knowledge our logic is flawed.

Now for the fourth time, imagine humans are two dimensional beings. We perfectly understand the concept of left and right, and forward and backward. One day though someone say's that there are three dimensions an up and a down. Well obviously this can't be true because logically it makes no sense.
Graham
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third dimension is depth and forward/backward

i don't really know what's going on in thread, just a lil FYI :P

samy
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No it's up and down

Graham
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think of paper mario games

couldn't really find 1 site

samy
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It depends on how the plane is set up, usually when you think of two dimensional you think of a lack of height since length and with are already there.

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Now for the fourth time, imagine humans are two dimensional beings. We perfectly understand the concept of left and right, and forward and backward. One day though someone say's that there are three dimensions an up and a down. Well obviously this can't be true because logically it makes no sense.


It's a poor argument for religion though Samy - even if such beings exist and this truly is the case, we, again - have no logical reason to believe in them because all you're doing is speculating.

Why is everyone on here madly obsessed with logic? Human logic is so primative and bias that saying "it's logically impossible" barley holds up.


I wouldn't say madly obsessed - but I generally need a *reason* to think a certain way or do certain things.

You say human logic is so primative and bias, but what are you comparing it to? The logic of a dog? A monkey? What other logic do you know of that is superior to human logic as to make our logic primative?
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You say human logic is so primative and bias, but what are you comparing it to? The logic of a dog? A monkey? What other logic do you know of that is superior to human logic as to make our logic primative?

I can see the merit in this, HiddenDistance, but with me personally, my faith is based off of two things. First, it just seems impossible that human beings have the greatest logic and yet would crumble away just like any other animal. So I believe there is some logic greater than our own. Second, I had kind of a religious awakening in my life; not exactly speaking to God, but more or less like a feeling that I knew God was here, I knew what he wanted me to do.
but I generally need a *reason* to think a certain way or do certain things.

Generally I need a reason to think a certain way or do certain things too, and the only logic I *know* is my own logic. Religiously, I can see that there may be a greater logic, and combined with this feeling I have (which, of course, could be nothing more than my own insanity, but I'm willing to take that risk), my faith pops out. I know it probably sounds stupid from an outside standpoint, but that's just the way I think about my religion.
HiddenDistance
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God's logic


Ell Oh Ell.

Christianity is monotheistic. To the people who say having the father, son, and holy ghost as the same entity not making sense, they should really review the subject matter of discussion and how in reality, religion doesn't make sense to begin with.

On the bright side, monotheistic religions are far closer to the correct number then polytheistic religions.
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ok, some sects of christianity are monothiestic, say like catholics or others but i am baptist and that is deffenently not monothiestic, btw got the father, the son and the holy spirit are the same. just as i <insert name here> am a son, a student, and a waiter. i am all three and more in the same person.

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It is easier not knowing things and then to conclude than trying to find out something you do not know. That is what religon is about not understanding but then find understading with God.

HiddenDistance
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Ok say you are one person, you have the 'jock' side of you or the more powerful side of you, then you have the regular version of you, normal life you bleed and you die right? Then you have your soul its mysterious and works in weird ways.


To me that sounds like a multiple personality disorder. To me... there's just me, and that's it.

I have faith in mine, not blind faith


That's pretty much what faith is though. I always remember what Ambrose Bierce wrote of faith:

FAITH, n.
Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.
HiddenDistance
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Say you are Superman, Superman in this case would be God, but Clark Kent would be Jesus, and then Superman's and Clark Kent's Soul would be the holy spirit, do you get that explanation?


It doesn't matter what metaphor you use, it still makes as little sense as any previous or any future example.

You do realize I'm not arguing that christanity isn't monotheistic, right?
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