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Zep0Q
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Before you comment, please, read everything, I'm sure that after you read, your life will be changed.

In the following sentences I will explain how stupid is to not believe in God, and I'm gonna use logical thinking and science.

Either "Everything came from nothing", like the "big bang" , witch is impossible, because nothing can only make nothing, or "Something always existed and made everything" like God.

God made this world, by this world I mean time, space and matter, so if God made this world, He lives outside of time, space and matter which means He's eternal, omnipresent and all-powerful.

For those of you who say that the big bang made the universe, I have this sentence: Nothing is the cause of it's own existence.
This doesn't apply to God, because if He doesn't lives in time, He didn't had a beginning, He always existed.
If the universe always was then, we could not reach this moment in time, if something is trapped in time, that means it had a beginning.

Every change that happens everywhere in the universe it's more closer to destruction.
Second law of thermodynamics:
The energy available after a chemical reaction is less than that at the beginning of a reaction; energy conversions are not 100% efficient.
The disorder in the universe always increases.
With each change in form, some energy is degraded to a less useful form and given off into the surroundings, usually as low-quality heat.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics is commonly known as the Law of Increased Entropy. While quantity remains the same, the quality of matter/energy deteriorates gradually over time. How so? Usable energy is inevitably used for productivity, growth and repair. In the process, usable energy is converted into unusable energy. Thus, usable energy is irretrievably lost in the form of unusable energy.

If God didn't made life, then how did non-life, became life?
As I said, nothing is the cause of it's own existence, life comes from life, your parents were alive when they made you.

Did you knew that a 2x2 inch capacity full with someone's DNA can sustain 6000000000 times more information then a 140 GB hard drive?
I guess you didn't knew, did evolution made your DNA?
God made your DNA, of course!

What about the monkeys?
If we evolved from them, why they stayed as they are? they took a long coffee break, I guess.

What about the fossils?
The scientists say that it takes millions and billions and zilions of years for living tissue to become a fossil, well here's 2 pictures with a cawboy's leg fossilized, enjoy
1#
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/limestone-cowboy-boot-outside.jpg
2#
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/limestone-cowboy-boot-inside.jpg

After all I have showed you, now I'm gonna say that you should accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour, because He died for our sins and He didn't ask something from us, just to love our brothers and sisters and to believe in Him.
Anyone can ask for forgiveness as long as he or she is not dead, no matter what they did God can forgive them, if they repent from theirs sins and accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
God is mercyful and just, His justice is not denyed by His mercy and this is the reason why God sent His Son Jesus to pay the price for us.

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

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Moabarmorgamer
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I'm back!

Religion is supported by what is true science. All the psudosciences flock to atheistic arguments because they exist to try to prove there is no God.

You mean pseudosciences? You spelled it wrong.
What true science supports religion?
No, we do not exist to prove that there is no God. We just live, like normal people, we just don't believe in God. So there.
thingthingfreak
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If God created everything, then who created God?

WoodyGuthrie
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If God created everything, then who created God?


That was me.
AircraftCarrier
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I do believe in a superior entity, but not Yahweh.

samy
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If God created everything, then who created God?


Something HAD to be uncreated.
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Here's my view on god. My family is christian, i'm not sure which type, but i'm sort of an aetheist in some of the points and I can accept some of the others. First, the creation of everything, I could stand to beleive that something created everything, but what created that? To me it seems that if there was nothing, then there was SOMETHING because you can't have one without the other. How do we know what is good and bad without both? One defines the other in there lack of. Secondly, how is it that I am sinning or doing something wrong even if i'm not? I don't attack people or hurt people of any of that, what do I need to be forgivin for? For in the bible how Adam and Eve ate an apple? How is that my problem? Don't christians believe the sins of the father are not passed on to the child? Or in this case, every billions of children? Third, Adam and Eve could not be the only 2 humans at once. Scientific evidence shows that we can trace DNA and ancestry up to a certain point beyond where the human race begins. Also, 2 people do not have a sufficient gene pool to foster an entier race. We would become so inbred that our genes would fail and we would just die from interbred defeciencies and diseases. It takes hundreds of people to create a sufficient gene pool. Fourth, if god forgives us all of our sins, and not beleiving in him is a sin, then wouldn't he be fine with us when we died going, "Oh, you do exist, please forgive me for not understanding your ways and questioning you" But christianity tells us that if you don't beleive in him you go to hell. Fifth, some of the basic things in the religion are flawed. One, jeseus christ's birthday according to the bible and according to science don't match up. According to science, jeseus was born 6 years after what the bible says. And the revelations book, that sounds to me just like all this current day nostradomous stuff and the mayans and 50 years ago when people thought the world would end and when people thought the world would end in 2000 and on June 6, 2006. Third, the bible is a bunch of smaller testaments by the disciples and such right? Where did the writing come from in genesis and those beggining chapters? History only dates back 3000 B.C.
Fourth, there are tons more books that the romans went through when they put together the bible. They decided which books supported their beleifs and which didn't. Who's to say they picked the right books even? How can you believe something when the religions fundamental truths are judged by man and written by man? These are just a few of the reasons as to why i'm an aetheist, but you can beleive what you want, i've found that arguing with someone about religion is as effective as telling an ant to use the bathroom, spin a circle, climb a wall and do a backflip.

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[/quote]Either "Everything came from nothing", like the "big bang" , witch is impossible, because nothing can only make nothing, or "Something always existed and made everything" like God.



---well that is nihilism which means that only they support it evolutionists does not say we have created from nothing

[quote]God made this world, by this world I mean time, space and matter...Every change that happens everywhere in the universe it's more closer to destruction.
Second law of thermodynamics:
The energy available after a chemical reaction is less than that at the beginning of a reaction; energy conversions are not 100% efficient.
The disorder in the universe always increases.
With each change in form, some energy is degraded to a less useful form and given off into the surroundings, usually as low-quality heat.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics is commonly known as the Law of Increased Entropy. While quantity remains the same, the quality of matter/energy deteriorates gradually over time. How so? Usable energy is inevitably used for productivity, growth and repair. In the process, usable energy is converted into unusable energy. Thus, usable energy is irretrievably lost in the form of unusable energy.


---the 2nd law of thermodynamics can only be applied if the system the energy is inside is a CLOSED one in which one can not manipulate it from outside,if the outside has the ability to channel energy into it-like god- then it means system is not so closed as we thought

which means you are trying to prove god by bringing a law which says entropy increases continuosly as long as nothing intervenes from outside and at the same time you are saying that god is manpulating universe from outside and this proves god ??

---plus the entrophy means the unstability(potential) of a system which means the universe is flawed like hell and anything can happen at any time;that is not a good creation I suppose

If God didn't made life, then how did non-life, became life?


---well you are looking at carbon based creatures here(earthlings hehe) there is something called xenobiology plus what is the point of creating lots of planets and a near endless universe although knowing that most of humanity will perish before exploring them?

Did you knew that a 2x2 inch capacity full with someone's DNA can sustain 6000000000 times more information then a 140 GB hard drive?


what is the point? did you know that your brain generates electricity while you are thinking? do you think this proves evolution ? that is just an ad hominem...

What about the monkeys?
If we evolved from them, why they stayed as they are? they took a long coffee break, I guess.


we did not,we did from an ancesteral creature which evolved to two different animals-humans and monkeys-evolution like this size or complexity needs at least a millions of years

---cowboy boots????

well there are methods for figuring out the ages of objects like carbon 14,which is used to determine the age of the fossil dated back to 50000 years,,, if this is not enough -ie the object is older than that- potassium argon method is used to find the age older than 500000 years---there also other methods like electron spin resonance etc.

awaiting more ad hominems to answer...

and sorry if those thing are answered before as reading 59 pages is a lot to read...
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and I am a pastafarian by the way...

also I am new to the forums, got to learn that quote thing eheh

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First, the creation of everything, I could stand to beleive that something created everything, but what created that? To me it seems that if there was nothing, then there was SOMETHING because you can't have one without the other.

I know a lot of Christians believe God is, was, and always will be. But how about this? What if something big-bangish created God, THEN he, as an intelligent designer, created the world to function so well? God, while appearing to be more complex than the world, might not be. He's one man who can't die, who doesn't depend on something else to survive, who, before creating the world (according to the Bible), existed in nothing. I think it's possible he was created.
Secondly, how is it that I am sinning or doing something wrong even if i'm not? I don't attack people or hurt people of any of that, what do I need to be forgivin for? For in the bible how Adam and Eve ate an apple? How is that my problem? Don't christians believe the sins of the father are not passed on to the child? Or in this case, every billions of children?

That's original sin; kind of a spiritual thing that taints your soul from the beginning, luring you to sin. It isn't that you did something wrong, but that it is in human blood to sin. To be honest, this isn't something I'm quite clear on either.
Third, Adam and Eve could not be the only 2 humans at once. Scientific evidence shows that we can trace DNA and ancestry up to a certain point beyond where the human race begins. Also, 2 people do not have a sufficient gene pool to foster an entier race. We would become so inbred that our genes would fail and we would just die from interbred defeciencies and diseases. It takes hundreds of people to create a sufficient gene pool.

I think God created them as the original humans, but then, OUTSIDE the Garden of Eden, there were more people he created to balance a society.
Fourth, if god forgives us all of our sins, and not beleiving in him is a sin, then wouldn't he be fine with us when we died going, "Oh, you do exist, please forgive me for not understanding your ways and questioning you" But christianity tells us that if you don't beleive in him you go to hell.

No, it doesn't. Some Christians believe that, but the majority of us don't. It depends on your actions as a human being. It's not a sin not to know if a higher power created us, or which one. That's why convert Christians, when baptized, erase all their sins. But there's another form of Baptism before you die: Baptism by the blood of Christ. So this would forgive you automatically for not praying to God or whatever because, you didn't know, and that's fine.
One, jeseus christ's birthday according to the bible and according to science don't match up. According to science, jeseus was born 6 years after what the bible says.

The Bible said nothing specific about dates. You may be thinking of what was nationally declared. Jesus probably wasn't born on December 25th, for example, but it had to fit in with Pagan holidays for political reasons in I think 400 AD.
And the revelations book, that sounds to me just like all this current day nostradomous stuff and the mayans and 50 years ago when people thought the world would end and when people thought the world would end in 2000 and on June 6, 2006.

One difference. The book of revelations says that nobody knows the day or the hour, while this Mayan stuff and 50 years ago, etc. says that it WILL end on a specific date, and they know it.
Third, the bible is a bunch of smaller testaments by the disciples and such right? Where did the writing come from in genesis and those beggining chapters? History only dates back 3000 B.C.

Probably by word of mouth, but I don't know either. People still could have had unwritten religious belief in Judiasm at the time. They simply wrote it all down once they developed a writing system.
Fourth, there are tons more books that the romans went through when they put together the bible. They decided which books supported their beleifs and which didn't. Who's to say they picked the right books even? How can you believe something when the religions fundamental truths are judged by man and written by man?

You can believe in the events. Obviously I don't follow passages that discriminate against women or ethnicity or something like that. And they probably picked books that seemed relevant. I'm sure, in all the confusion of that time, that there may have been plenty of repetitive or irrelevant writings simply because it was such an amazing and unbelievable experience (assuming it happened, obviously).
These are just a few of the reasons as to why i'm an aetheist, but you can beleive what you want, i've found that arguing with someone about religion is as effective as telling an ant to use the bathroom, spin a circle, climb a wall and do a backflip.

These aren't bad reasons, but hopefully I may have cleared a few things up, and made Christians seem a bit smarter than ants.
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If God created everything, then who created God?


According to priests, scholars, etc... God has always been here. That is something that is a little conufsing to me. It is hard for me to believe also. That is why my faith in God has gone down over time. I still show respect and capitilize His name, but I usually don't participate when praying, receiving communion, or anything regards to Christian acts.

To sum it up, I really don't believe in God.
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According to priests, scholars, etc... God has always been here


that's something hard to believe to, maybe people or things from other planet came to our new baby planet billions of years ago and gave god powers, never know, the answer will lye on 2012 or at the end of you're faith.
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Either "Everything came from nothing", like the "big bang" , witch is impossible, because nothing can only make nothing, or "Something always existed and made everything" like God.


Hey look, another person who doesn't know what the Big Bang really is.
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Why would I believe in a bearded fat man who drops presents down my chimney? It's ridiculous!

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Why would I believe in a bearded fat man who drops presents down my chimney? It's ridiculous!


cause if you don't believe.. you don't get any presents...
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Why would I believe in a bearded fat man who drops presents down my chimney? It's ridiculous!

Santa? Saint Nicholas was a real person, of whom Santa is based off of. He's not believed to be God...
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