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Zep0Q
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Before you comment, please, read everything, I'm sure that after you read, your life will be changed.

In the following sentences I will explain how stupid is to not believe in God, and I'm gonna use logical thinking and science.

Either "Everything came from nothing", like the "big bang" , witch is impossible, because nothing can only make nothing, or "Something always existed and made everything" like God.

God made this world, by this world I mean time, space and matter, so if God made this world, He lives outside of time, space and matter which means He's eternal, omnipresent and all-powerful.

For those of you who say that the big bang made the universe, I have this sentence: Nothing is the cause of it's own existence.
This doesn't apply to God, because if He doesn't lives in time, He didn't had a beginning, He always existed.
If the universe always was then, we could not reach this moment in time, if something is trapped in time, that means it had a beginning.

Every change that happens everywhere in the universe it's more closer to destruction.
Second law of thermodynamics:
The energy available after a chemical reaction is less than that at the beginning of a reaction; energy conversions are not 100% efficient.
The disorder in the universe always increases.
With each change in form, some energy is degraded to a less useful form and given off into the surroundings, usually as low-quality heat.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics is commonly known as the Law of Increased Entropy. While quantity remains the same, the quality of matter/energy deteriorates gradually over time. How so? Usable energy is inevitably used for productivity, growth and repair. In the process, usable energy is converted into unusable energy. Thus, usable energy is irretrievably lost in the form of unusable energy.

If God didn't made life, then how did non-life, became life?
As I said, nothing is the cause of it's own existence, life comes from life, your parents were alive when they made you.

Did you knew that a 2x2 inch capacity full with someone's DNA can sustain 6000000000 times more information then a 140 GB hard drive?
I guess you didn't knew, did evolution made your DNA?
God made your DNA, of course!

What about the monkeys?
If we evolved from them, why they stayed as they are? they took a long coffee break, I guess.

What about the fossils?
The scientists say that it takes millions and billions and zilions of years for living tissue to become a fossil, well here's 2 pictures with a cawboy's leg fossilized, enjoy
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http://www.bible.ca/tracks/limestone-cowboy-boot-outside.jpg
2#
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/limestone-cowboy-boot-inside.jpg

After all I have showed you, now I'm gonna say that you should accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour, because He died for our sins and He didn't ask something from us, just to love our brothers and sisters and to believe in Him.
Anyone can ask for forgiveness as long as he or she is not dead, no matter what they did God can forgive them, if they repent from theirs sins and accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
God is mercyful and just, His justice is not denyed by His mercy and this is the reason why God sent His Son Jesus to pay the price for us.

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

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BigP08
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I'm not extremely knowledgable on evolution, but maybe these are some possible explanations.

For one how did souls come about?

Maybe once humans were in God's image, in that they had sentience that surpassed a primate.
Were we created into sin not created and then sinned?

Until we acheived that sentience, maybe we couldn't be judged on what we didn't understand how to do.
Adam and Eve did they exist?

They could still be the first evolved humans.

And there's always the possibility that God created us in the middle of a time stream in which EVOLUTION would've been teh past. That's a concept I find hard to explain, hopefully it made sense.
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2. This is my theory: Adam and Eve did exist. They were some of the first actual humans evolved. However, other people aren't mentioned because Adam and Eve were the only religiously important ones at that time. Besides, how else did their kids get kids?


Um, they had sex with there brothers and sisters? The only reason it's bad today is because the genetic code is so full of mutations you can't have two sets that are close in there coding, or else the mutations overlap.
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Sorry for the double post but I got ninjad.

Maybe once humans were in God's image, in that they had sentience that surpassed a primate.


So there was an intervention here? Or just as the reached that point?

Until we acheived that sentience, maybe we couldn't be judged on what we didn't understand how to do.


But would Adam and Eve have lived forever if she wouldn't have ate the apple?

They could still be the first evolved humans.


What about Eden?

P.S. I din't mean any of this sarcastically I'm just trying to understand what you mean and testing your beliefs because it's always good =D
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Um, they had sex with there brothers and sisters? The only reason it's bad today is because the genetic code is so full of mutations you can't have two sets that are close in there coding, or else the mutations overlap.


samy, they did that because their genetic code was perfect, and there was no other way, and at that time, God didn't had another law exept the one that humans must obey Him.

The 10 commandments were given to Moise by God on the Sinai mountain, and the top of the mountain burned when Moise recived the 10 commandments, as the Bible says.
As you can see here:
http://www.discoverynews.us/images/BurntMountain.jpg

By the way, Moise got the 10 commandments, at last 2000 years after Adam and Eve, and Adam lived 1000 or so.
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samy, they did that because their genetic code was perfect, and there was no other way, and at that time, God didn't had another law exept the one that humans must obey Him.


That's what I said :P
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OMFG I"M A WOOD LORD BWAAAAAAA


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Who knows how long a year was to them? It could have been like 3 months.

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Besides, even if evolution is true, nothing can evolve in 6000 years, because 6000 years ago the world was made, we know this by adding the ages of the first humans and the major events, like the flood, when Jesus came to earth, etc.
By the way, the flood was approximately 4400 years ago, and the oldest tree in the world is almost 3400 years old, and many civilizations said about a flood, but the most complex description is found in the Bible.


Don't forgot the oldest rock was around a couple BILLION years.
This is where I say what about dinosaurs? Then you say: There were no dinosaurs they're dragons! Or you say: The bones were but there to test my faith.

The 10 commandments were given to Moise by God on the Sinai mountain, and the top of the mountain burned when Moise received the 10 commandments, as the Bible says.


I don't see a robed guy writing on a stone and a burning bush there either. What does that photo prove?
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Deserteagle! Now it's a party!

By the way, Samy, all this is hypothetical because I don't know if evolution is true, I just assume it is.

So there was an intervention here? Or just as the reached that point?

I think God revealed himself in the Garden of Eden, and at this point they knew what was expected of them.
So there was an intervention here? Or just as the reached that point?

I think God gave them the chance, and once they ate the apple, he returned them to mortality.
What about Eden?

You mean the Garden of Eden? Probably a place like heaven where they could see and understand God, until they ate of the fruit, that is. Then it just a cool place to live, but live mortally.
P.S. I din't mean any of this sarcastically I'm just trying to understand what you mean and testing your beliefs because it's always good =D

Yes it is! =D
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samy, they did that because their genetic code was perfect,


Counter example:

http://www.dnarss.com/images/chromosome_9_578_x_608.jpg

This is just the 9th chromosome.
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Don't forgot the oldest rock was around a couple BILLION years.
This is where I say what about dinosaurs? Then you say: There were no dinosaurs they're dragons! Or you say: The bones were but there to test my faith.


Uranium dating is based a lot on guess work though. If something changes and causes the half life to shrink incredibly the time could be way off. I'm saying it could not that it is by the way.

I don't see a robed guy writing on a stone and a burning bush there either. What does that photo prove?


http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp33/samy_7869/moses.jpg

I fail to see the problem here..?


Well I disagree but hey maybe I'm wrong at least you think theres a God ha..
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Double post again, sigh but ninja

WAS perfect mutations do happen thats a scientific FACT.

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I'm not an atheist. I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws.

-Albert Einstein

samy
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For a second I thought you were incredibly brilliant...:P

But great quote I agree.

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Uranium dating is based a lot on guess work though. If something changes and causes the half life to shrink incredibly the time could be way off. I'm saying it could not that it is by the way.


Agreed. Carbon dating is off by a couple million I know.

@ the pic: LOL nice! Have you considered a career as an artist?

WAS perfect mutations do happen thats a scientific FACT.


Define perfect mutation. A mutation is a flux in DNA that can be harmful or beneficial. I'm not familiar with that term. enlighten me.

I'm wrong at least you think there's a God ha..


Your wrong. I don't believe in deities that created the universe and decide whether or not I go to hell.
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