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Graham
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Hadda lil debate with seminar teacher after he asked "can war be justified?" (as a time consumer)

I say justice is an opinion.

Reasoning:
Good is based on a perspective. You reflect what you see into your own Good Intent. Good Intent does not equal Good.

If you were to argue the majority believe it's right: 3 people's opinion does not disprove 1 person's.

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firetail_madness
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Everyone has different believes. So what you believe to be right might differ from other people. There's no right, no wrong. So I do believe with you.

firetail_madness
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firetail_madness
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believes


Meant beliefs.

So I do believe with you.


"agree" with you.
Thyll
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Thyll
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This is why I say either all opinions are right, or they're wrong - there is no in between.
So I basically agree with you.

ligaboy
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I have to agree with you. A war can not be good or bad to everyone. It's different among everyone.

skater_kid_who_pwns
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Finally someone nitices this. Every one says that people are evil, well there really not.

"People fear what is diffrent"

steevo15
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So what you believe to be right might differ from other people. There's no right, no wrong. So I do believe with you.


So what you are creating here is a relativistic mentality. Are you saying that Hitler was justified to kill millions of people because he thought it was right?

In order to prevent things like what happened with Hitler, you MUST have objective rights and wrongs.
RaptorExx
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Farmer

Are you saying that Hitler was justified to kill millions of people because he thought it was right?

He thought it was necessary to gain power, the people he convinced believed it was necessary to save Germany from the Depression because he told them it was their fault. The Jewish religion had been prosecuted for many many many years even before Hitler ever began using it for propaganda, which was due to the beliefs of other religions not accepting non-believers, who are thought to be, well, evil. So in a sense, to Hitler and the Nazi Party, Jewish people were evil and like Satanists. So yes, though I think Hitler was more in it for the power than beliefs...

I do not agree with Hitler's 'rights and wrongs', I'm just saying, to the people who followed him didn't see them as good people and saw them as a sort of 'devil worshiper' type, and believed the world would be a lot better if they were exterminated.
steevo15
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I'm just saying, to the people who followed him didn't see them as good people and saw them as a sort of 'devil worshiper' type, and believed the world would be a lot better if they were exterminated.


So are you saying that because a large amount of people believed in it that it was justified?

or

are you saying that it was justified for those people to believe in it because they were not taught otherwise?

Or am I completely misinterpreting your argument?
SwordAndShield
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Wait I do not get how you can have Justice= Opinion when you have an argument war being justified. Do you mean your opinion on justice and war?
Anyway, how can you justify war.

steevo15
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Do you mean your opinion on justice and war?


No, from what my understanding is, he means that what you see as justice is all opinion. I'll go back to the Hitler example. He thought that killing millions of people was justice because in his opinion he thought it was right.

So basically he is arguing that justice is all based on your opinion.

Anyway, how can you justify war.


Self defence. If a country is attacking you, it is justified to attack them back.
RaptorExx
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Farmer

are you saying that it was justified for those people to believe in it because they were not taught otherwise?

This one. For those people, it was right, for us two and probably a couple more billion anonymous, it was wrong.

Meaning I stand, as my 'argument' goes, opinion [views/beliefs too] = justice.
steevo15
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So it is okay to forgo human rights just because you weren't taught otherwise? How is that justified?

So according to your argument I could grow up in a home where my parents taught me that murder solves all my problems, then when I get older, I could go around murdering everyone that gets in my way, but I wouldn't go to jail for it because in my opinion what I did was right?

Just because you are taught something wrong without being taught otherwise, doesn't make it right.

RaptorExx
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Just because you are taught something wrong without being taught otherwise, doesn't make it right.

Not to you, but to someone taught that another person is not equal to them because of their race or something like that, it makes perfect sense.
but I wouldn't go to jail for it because in my opinion what I did was right?

No, you would, murder is looked down upon by most cultures. So I suggest you have a very good lawyer to work that our for you. However, in some undeveloped 'countries' [probably in places that can't even be considered countries as well =/], it is legal to kill someone for whatever reason. Majority > Minority.
steevo15
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it makes perfect sense.


But why does it make sense? What makes it okay to forgo human rights, human nature even justified because of a simple opinion or because of what you are taught.

Lets take a less controversial topic. Lets take math for example, we all know that it can be proven, and that it is factual.

Say I am a math teacher, and I teach all of my students that 1+1=139,015

Does that make the statement (1+1=139,015) correct because they were taught that it was?
BenTheBozer
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Some of the worst things have came out of the best intentions.

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