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Forums → WEPR → Forced vaccinations & health care in an epidemic/pandemic - wrong or justified?
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A friend of mine directed me to this website:
http://www.naturalnews.com/026934_health_public_health_quarantine.html
where they talk a little about this bill which is:
An act relative to pandemic and disaster preparation and response in the commonwealth (Massachusetts).
In synopsis, the purpose of the legislation is to make it easier for the government to take action in the event of of a radical viral outbreak to protect the citizens of the state with mandatory vaccination, quaratine, and potential evacuation, along with many other provisions (but I'm trying to keep the OP short, and if you're interested the reading material is in the links/references).
Is this a grevious breach of rights and freedoms, or does the government have a right to protect you and others in times of a dire medical emergency from the people down the block who are suffering from 'The Black Death', so to speak; or to protect those others from you, if you happen to be a carrier?
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No one can be forced to receive a vaccination. It will inevitably be in conflict with many religious groups who do not believe in using Western medicine. Also, in most vaccinations, about 1 in 1,000 will catch the disease from the vaccine. And with serious diseases, many will actually die from the vaccine. I remember the US government testing an anthrax vaccine, and about 3 in 1,000 died from the vaccination.
Now, the vaccines should be available for anyone and everyone who wants them. The government should not deny citizens the right to a vaccine.
I agree that the forced vaccine would be a bad idea.
But i do believe it would be best to quarentine the area no matter who you are along with evacs of the population.
Tell me would you rather have 1,000 people die...Or 10 Million?
I believe the goverment has a right to protect.
Going through a infected neighborhood would be the same as going down a street with 50 different gangs on it saying
I just won 1M dollars in cash!!!!
Forcing people to take vaccines, sounds like a very bad idea. How long would it be intil the power gets abused. Liked the gang example though.
What happens to the ones who are allergic to the vaccine? I myself am allergic to almost all vaccines (Chicken Pox, Flu, etc.), I'll die if I have another one, would they force me to take it, HECK NO! That's an invasion of free will.
I believe the goverment has a right to protect.
The government does not have the right to protect us, it is obligated to. Also, forcing vaccinations seems impossible. Although, production of mass quantities in anticipation of imminent mass death is a good thing. I don't usually get vaccinated but, my wife is pregnant, and thus extremely susceptible, so I'm rather happy our government is in charge of the mass production of a vaccine for swine flu.
I'm not sure I'd agree with the somewhat consensus that forced vaccination is wrong.
To take an example from another medical controversy; there's the issue of parents who believe and practice religion which, as a part of their faith prevents them from getting blood transufsions (Jehovah's Witnesses) - their children don't get a choice at all. I've thought it on the side of child abuse.
Similarly, there are a considerable amount of people who actually put faith in new age medicine, like holistic or homeopathy, who believe; without evidence I should add - that the cause of autism and other disorders are modern medical vaccinations. The child can't decide for themselves, but is this a situation where forced vaccination is acceptable?
Beyond that - to the point of forced quarantine: If forced vaccination is wrong & not justifiable, is it okay for the government to quarantine carriers of particularly virulent and deadly diseases that are a threat to public health concerns; especially if people can opt out on the vaccination process?
To take an example from another medical controversy; there's the issue of parents who believe and practice religion which, as a part of their faith prevents them from getting blood transufsions (Jehovah's Witnesses) - their children don't get a choice at all. I've thought it on the side of child abuse.
I agree. theres a time when you need to ditch your values and save your kids life
I do believe that some vaccines do need to be forced. types of things that can save your life
They wouldn't force people, It just doesn't seem very likely to me.
/skeptic
I agree. theres a time when you need to ditch your values and save your kids life
well according to a news story i found...
A central Wisconsin man accused of killing his 11-year-old daughter by praying instead of seeking medical care was found guilty of second-degree reckless homicide.
in my opinion, those kind of people deserve to die of the disease because if they dont survive its only because it was part of "God's Plan"...
anyway.. back on topic i agree with what most people are saying, you cant force anyone to take a vaccine. I understand quarantine, just forced medicine?
No one can force you to do anything. It's just the government arresting you for treason (don't be surprised) is the consequence. Treason is a capital offense by the way.
If they do this, they can force us to do anything. If they can give us vaccines forcefully, they can force us to drive minivans, or force us to not cut our grass, or force us to kill out parents when they hit 75.
Give them an inch, take you a mile.
School attendance is forced, but no one aside from criminals and possibly anarchists has a problem with that. Maybe forced vaccinations are good when there is an outbreak which posses a direct threat to everyone's health; in forcing vaccinations during those scenarios, you'd be helping the community's well being.
Forced vaccinations make sense only when there is something you can't screw around about. Otherwise, they should be optional.
I don't know if people should be forced to be vaccinated, because that would be violation of our rights as a citizen, but I think that if it works then what reason is there not to be vaccinated? A pandemics has been considered as a possibility for the end of mankind, not that it would happen soon, but i.e. they're very dangerous.
Although it's not that they wouldn't be able to force people, I imagine they certainly could, but the people who do not want to be vaccinated won't just come quietly. They would make an effort to evade the vaccination at any cost.
But to get back to the question-wrong or justified?-I'd say that it is in some ways justified. Sure, its a violation of rights, but you would be worse of without it then with with it. See where I'm getting at?
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