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inferedmonkey
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well i have found that some people who dont beileve in god think there cant be a god becase (man i cant spell)of all the bad things that happen and some of the people who do belive in god only give him blame for good things notice i said some of the people not all of them im just asking if anyone has noticed this other than me

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Graham
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all you said in that wall was you're not imposing beliefs and it's for individuals to decide.

PS. be a bit easier to read with better spelling

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In response to Jessikar:

Then why cannot we adjust to being God, in the view you take? Why cannot we become omnipotent? Well, we can't. Even according to your Bible, God existed throughout time. Therefore, a loving relationship is impossible, thus his actions are nulled.


We don't adjust to God in the same way that he adjusted to us. The way we adjust out of love is by following God's commands. Because we love God we try our best not to break his laws. "If you love me, you will obey what I command." (John 14:15)

Do you know what an agnostic is? I believe in something omnipotent, but certainly not the Christian God. I find that particular religion, and all other current religions, to be rather foolish. And I also find the Big Bang theory to be foolish. I believe in some sort of being watching over us that created the first living things, but then I also believe that evolution took us the rest of the way. That is an agnostic. Sort of like in the middle.


That sounds a lot more like deism. A deist believes in an impersonal Creator-God who stays separate from his creation. Agnosticism is actually the belief that knowledge cannot be obtained, but in the theological sense, it means that knowledge of God cannot be obtained- we can't know if God exists or not, and if he does, we can't know anything about him. A statement like "God does not exist" is not very consistent with either of these beliefs.

Alright, I can buy that. Yes, there is no standard for good or evil. Like Jon said, what's right is a perspective. Perspective is told by whoever's left standing. For example, the Spanish Inquisition. Christians would say they were ridding the world of heretics. Non-Christians would say they were brutally attacked. And the bit where I thought you implied atheists were lower than Christians was how you said "atheist" instead of "human". See my point now?


That is- unless God exists. In that case Absolute Morality is a law comparable to the law of gravity (I'll expand on that in a minute). It doesn't matter if you believe it or not- it exists. And yes, I see how you got that message. I'm sorry for not making myself clearer.

Let me put it this way. God knows full well that humans hate pain. That's why, if they aren't good in their life, instead of going to heaven, they'll burn in hell for all eternity. Therefore, God has some sort of perspective on pain, obviously, or at least knows that his underlings hate it. And you are partially correct. I see good and evil themselves as a shifting thing, but that doesn't mean I myself, don't draw the line between good and evil. For example, if my big brother took the computer, I would say he was being mean, and he would say it was his turn. Everyone has their own views, no matter who philosophical they are.


The concept of Hell is a lot more complex than most people think nowadays. I suppose I only have disturbed catholic Sunday school teachers to blame for that. Hell is not a place of literal fire- in the Bible these types of expressions are used to symbolize God's judgment. Hell is ultimately a complete, permanent separation from God in every way. A good resource to counteract false propaganda is C.S. Lewis. In a book I once read he was quoted several times- it really shed some light on the concept of Hell.

Now I get to elaborate on the gravity analogy. I think this might clear up some misconception about morality and perception.

If God exists, then he is the ultimate Creator of all other things, including the immaterial mathematical laws that the universe obeys, such as the law of gravity. If God exists, then Absolute Morality is basically one of these laws. If God exists, then the Absolute Moral laws found in the Bible are laws of the universe- not just God's arbitrary opinion. If you were to read down the list of laws God put in place to govern the universe it might look a little like this:

Laws of Physics
Laws of Logic
Laws of Morality
...
...
and so on.

As much as the laws of physics and the laws of logic are facts, so would the laws of morality found in the Bible be fact. What's more, the moral laws God established in His Word are not merely arbitrary things God decided on, He's not merely imposing a random thing on us, His laws are a reflection of His benevolent, loving nature.

While a dictator might arbitrarily impose his ethics and religion on you, to say that God imposes his ethics and religion on you is like saying God imposes gravity on you.
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