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Blu3sBr0s
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This might have been made before but...

Apparently 88% of Americans believe in Astrology.

Funny, 50% of Americans reject evolution...so creationism is apparently less reputable than Astrology...ANYWAYS

Does anyone on AG believe in this Pseudopsychology?

I mean c'mon. The idea that the time you were born dictates the events of your life, then there's the fact that when these were all made up the Earth was on a different tilt or whatever and now all the stars are one month ahead of where they were when the Mayans? first came up with the different signs...

Then there's the fact that all the predicitons are so vague, and they often predominantely predict positive events in your life rather than negative. And there are so many predictons in a horoscope for just ONE day...

I just wanna see who hear is smart and who isn't xD

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IchoridPheonix
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And as for what you have to say about state of mind, even if your idea about the operation of the subconcious mind was accurate, being a student of buddhist meditation, i can tell you from personal experience that to reach the state i think your trying to talk about is entirely possible.

do a little research on that as well, folks

IchoridPheonix
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and at the risk of posting too many times in a row, and possibly being a bit offensive... i dont know why im having this debate with two children... youll understand so much more when youre older
lol

Graham
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Flagthen dont buy their books, do some library research.


the very point of looking into a 1900's astrology of family's heritage was to be sure it was credible and not a business scheme.

ZERO facts in science.


facts change with time and are prone to bias.

there is EVIDENCE

evidence is compromised of facts

science is NEVER proven...

theorems can be unproven

s merely to collect evidence, analyze the data, collect more evidence, analyze more data, and at some point come up with a hypothesis

the main problem i find is retestability, which you oh-so carefully left out.
Blu3sBr0s
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and you seem to have a misunderstanding of science... science is NEVER proven...
there are ZERO, i repeat, ZERO facts in science.
did you miss that in high school science? if you are there yet...
there is EVIDENCE, and THEORY...


I know there is no PROVEN science. But don't you agree that it doesn't follow the scientific method? And therefore can't be beleived by anyone who claims to adhere to those sorts of rules? It is not repeatable

and the scientific method, once again, is merely to collect evidence, analyze the data, collect more evidence, analyze more data, and at some point come up with a hypothesis, that (in our world) may be given the right to become a scientific theory


No it's not. Do you know the steps of the scientific method?

The point is Astrology has never gone through these succesfully.

What's his face, that dude who runs that magician museum place in America somehwere xD He has a $1,000,000 reward up for anyone who can use science to validate a pseudopsycholody, Astrology is considered one of these. No one has done it yet.

and like i said before, if you DECIDE to not research, you are being willfully ignorant, and the opinions of the ignorant (someone who does know anything about the subject is considered connotatively ignorant) are inherently flawed.
because without data, or evidence on the subject THEY are refusing to use scientific theory.


Well, there is no data for me to find. There is only the opinions of Astrologers who have no evidence for me that has basis in science. Interesting how there is no science on the subject to be found...not even that which dissproves it.

and at the risk of posting too many times in a row, and possibly being a bit offensive... i dont know why im having this debate with two children... youll understand so much more when youre older
lol


I don't believe the correlation between intelligence and age is as great as you believe it to be.

I would be prepared for an intelligent discussion if I had put this in the Smart person section of the forums xD Even though that's where I spend most of my time =P
Graham
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a freudian slip is not chance... lol


a freudian slip means all you accidentally blurt out is true to your subconscious, meaning no chance of being false. freudian slips have been disproven due to research into brain lapses.

do a little research on that as well, folks


broken record huh? trying to make yourself feel better by assuming no other person on this site knows anything about psychology in a failed attempt of naivety. ignorance is bliss.

i dont know why im having this debate with two children... youll understand so much more when youre older


play this lil' thing and you've set yourself up to suspicions on credibility and general disliking. ageist
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What's his face, that dude who runs that magician museum place in America somehwere xD  He has a $1,000,000 reward up for anyone who can use science to validate a pseudopsycholody, Astrology is considered one of these.  No one has done it yet.


that is The Amazing Randy

saw a video on him earlier this year
Blu3sBr0s
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Pathos, Ethos, Logos.

The 3 pieces of a credible argument.

Pathos is reputation of the speaker, of which Graham and I have little to none, but you are the same.

Ethos is appeal to emotion, what Astrologers use predominately IMO.

Logos is what I TRY to use. Appeal to the logical part of the mind

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Stars don't decode our fate. We do.

IchoridPheonix
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of course we decode our faith, im not saying that we dont.

i must ask if you all see astrology as no more than a means of divination, which is fairly innaccurate. any readings of the so called "future", especially in tarot or astrology, only give you a clue as to where you may be going based upon your current standing with yourself and the world around you. its more a tool for meditation than it is a means for direct knowledge. this is a widely misunderstood fact about these things.

and perhaps "accidental" by the means of the concious mind, but not accidental when you consider the operation of the entire self, of which the concious mind makes up a very small percentage of.
and im not a "ageist", i just know where my mind was when i was, say 15, or maybe 17,(which honestly, this reminds me of, i made similar arguements when i was both your age) and i know the difference between there and now, you, however do not.
and if you now claim that freudian slips are an invalid arguement, why did you use it in an arguement?
and i am not the ignorant in this conversation, for as far as i can tell, i am the only one to have done any research on the subject at hand (seeing as how im the only one actually talking about astrology, where as everyone else says "i dont believe in it" or attacks it with other schools of thought, while never actually talking about astrology at all, which is convenient seeing as how you seem to know nothing of it, and please, i challenge you to prove me wrong, please, i would like it).
do you know much about buddhist meditation? do you know much about astrology? do you know much about tarot? have you researched any of these things? if you have, then i apologize for my statement, whole-heartedly. but if you have researched these things, which by the way you speak i may only assume that you havnt, i stand by what i said... do some research. these things take some people life times to understand, and you expect some sort of answer at 15, or 17? im still a child in refernece to some of these realms of knowledge, and so are people twice, thrice my age. you stand no chance of understanding without actually trying to understand as oppsed to cutting everything down. not that im saying to ignore the objective school of thought, everything should be seen objectively, and mind you, i have a scientific mind, and more schooling than the both of you.

and for the record, freud was a hack. and his theories were NOT disproven, there is only strong evidence against them, i do not agree with his theories, but since this arguement seems to have degraded into an arguement of scemantics, please use the proper scientific vernacular.


i only added to this conversation because i thought it would be neat to introduce people to a new school of thought that they had obviously never experienced. and i now see that i may have been wrong.

And i understand credible arguement, and you dont have to believe me, in fact i havnt told you to... i have said
GO AND RESEARCH!!!!
which is logical. it is iollogical to disagree with something on principle instead of doing personal research.

There is logic, there is data, and whether you think that personalities are quantifiable or not, i still suggest you do more research on the subject. you dont seem to want to actually know anything about it, so, as opposed to wasting my time, i believe i will leave off with what ive been saying...

if you want to know what youre talking about, as opposed to just using elementary philosophical logic to explain away something youre scared to understand, go to the library and look it up. or even use your computer.

and think about this, what happens to photonic enrgy when it hits you? it diffuses? no... who are we to say that we fully understand the effects of light energy? stars give off photonic energy, that thanks to conservation of energy, and the idea that an object in motion... etc... reach this planet. there are many types of radiation that affect us that we dont fully understand, and i imagine there many that we cannot even detect or measure yet. and think of this, all things in the physical universe are gravitationally attracted to one another, such simple things as letting a child in the womb listen to music have been known to change the brain of the developing child. remember that where those planets are in relation to you very slightly changes the way that gravity effects you. take into account the fact that women, and men as well work on a lunar hormone cycle. all because of the position of a sattelite. and planets are merely sattelites of the sun. and back to gravity, gravity is merely an attraction of one mass to another, now think of how delicate the brain is, dont you think that during its development small changes in pressure or pull, predictable by the movement of the planets and stars, might change slightly the development of the brain? and i will stress again the fact that hormones are VERY delicately balanced by factors too numerous to mention here. in the end the way that we operate in a healthy manner can be entirely spun out of control by a hormone imbalance. this can even end in our deaths. another theory is that the human mind works in predicatable ways to the changing of the seasons. this is almost obvious. the temperature, the length of the day/night, the smells, the tastes, can all affect the developing mind quite adversely. but then comes into account the fact that it would change from one part of the world to another... which is part something else i said earlier, your sun sign is only the beggining. but anyhow...

thank you for the conversation, and i wish you the best in your intellectual journey.
GOOD LUCK

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oh and before i go, the idea that evolution and creationism are opposite ideas is immature.
one talks about how things came to be, and the other doesnt mention it at all.
the theory of evolution only really talks abouthow one thing rew and developed into another.
creationism only states that the universe was created by a higher power,
christian creationism is not the same as creationism

Graham
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and if you now claim that freudian slips are an invalid arguement, why did you use it in an arguement?


[quote=IchoridPheonix] there is no such thing as chance, especially when dealing with cards. if you learn tarot, that is what all the cards mean, then even if you are not actively thinking about it, your subconcious mind holds onto this information, and when anything comes up that deals with it
[quote=Graham]a freudian slip means all you accidentally blurt out is true to your subconscious, meaning no chance of being false. freudian slips have been disproven due to research into brain lapses.] [/quote][/quote]

the thought of such little changes create big (butterfly effect) is plausible, but look at how dated the information is; how it was/is collected; who collected it. bias surrounds the whole recordings.
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I do not believe in astrology. even that ridiculously long and boring post did not convince me.

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If you knew the path of your future and it was negetive you would strive to change it to something better. If the path you were laid upon was indeed positive you would make your choices thinking that would be your outcome. Would you really want to know the day you were going to die?

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