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Derka
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Communism in theory is fair and equality prevails and everyone is happy, but this is what really happens.

that's fred

Fred is happy with the idea of communism. One day Fred goes to work and John says i think I am not going to do anything today and Fred works hard all day. 5 years later Fred is still a custodian and so is John. They both make the same pay and have the same job title.Fred works hard and John takes a 5 hour lunch. now Fred is sad Fred says why should i work so hard if I can do nothing like John and still make the same pay. Not very Fair.

People lose motivation, economic growth stops, and the country falls just like the USSR. And what happens when people are unhappy? they go on strike, have a revolution, and so on... so what happens from there? People die cuz the people with money are happy. But who has money ohh yeah the gov. well why cant the people just overthrow the ones in charge or change partys at election time. ohhhh yeaahh i forgot the people in charge control the military and own the companys that hold the elections and they own the media. The end result is bloody revolutions, rigged politics, and totalitarianism.

Feel free to argue but you better use facts, history, and not opinions or I will just make you look stupid cuz I have an arsenal of facts and events i'm just dying to throw at you reds.

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thelistman
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Here's a fact:

This topic has been done 57 times.

whiskeylullaby
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Feel free to argue but you better use facts, history, and not opinions or I will just make you look stupid cuz I have an arsenal of facts and events i'm just dying to throw at you reds.

You're retarded as fucking hell. You used NO facts, NO history, and ALL opinions. If you're going to tell people to use facts and history rather than biased opinion, try to keep from using biased opinion, and actually use FACTS AND HISTORY.
Derka
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You're retarded as ****ing hell. You used NO facts, NO history, and ALL opinions. If you're going to tell people to use facts and history rather than biased opinion, try to keep from using biased opinion, and actually use FACTS AND HISTORY.

You are confused about opinion and history. The scenario is an example to dumb it down for people like you!!! Nothing about that is opinion. Maybe you should give reading a history book a shot. In a communist country the gov. controls everything. communism By definition is a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party. History repeats itself. Over and over the same thing happens again and again. If you want examples try to give me an example of one communist country that hasn't fallen victim to greed, power hungry rulers, and some type of massacre.

German3945
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self-perpetuating political party


Biased opinion, without any source noted.

History repeats itself


Opinion, and unbacked by any proof whatsoever.

If you want examples try to give me an example of one communist country that hasn't fallen victim to greed, power hungry rulers, and some type of massacre.


Opinion, and no source.

ALSO: Cuba and China are communist. Are you saying that Cuba and China no longer exist?

in addition: every country whose top positions have a chance to be abused, have or will be abused. you act like the US (one of the most democratic and untaxed countries) hasn't had leaders who have fallen victim to "greedy power hungry rulers" or "massacres". the US has had several instances of VERY violent revolts in its' past.


learn things before you speak
Graham
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problem is, communism sets up a government in a perfect situation for corruption. also the OP was meaning there is no incentive to work harder.

German3945
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Maybe you should give reading a history book a shot


HAHA! you must not know anything if you think history books are unbiased.

history books have more fillers than menthol cigarettes.
German3945
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graham: i agree, but any country that has a place of strong, centralized power is a perfect situation for corruption. it's not just communism.

Graham
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has a place of strong, centralized power is a perfect situation for corruption.


what do you think communism is? there's always a miscellaneous group to talk about.
German3945
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true, but this was being talk of like communism is the one enemy, there's just/almost as much of a chance for corruption in democratic nations, it's not just the type of government it's the people who rule it.

Graham
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anything is possible (quantum mechanics) and yes it is the people.

if you have a cookie waved in your face are you going to give it to charity or eat it yourself?

are humans inheritly good or evil?

German3945
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exactly my point. Derka seems to think that Communism is the enemy of society, whereas in reality individuals are the enemy of society.

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Communism is the truest form of democracy...Don't use the Soviet Union as your model for communism that was a dictatorship that had a socialized economic system. And besides, that USSR lasted for 69 years and only failed because their last leader before Yeltson decided to make the factories private....I don't see how valid using the Soviet Union as an example for communism is in a truly detailed way.

Please, keep making threads about commmunism...it's funny.

German3945
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Derka:
i'd also like to point out that your first post, you talked about workers holding back other workers in communism because they don't work hard enough.

that's completely false. in reality, communism encourages harder work because -- and this is stuff that was in the 4th page of my high school Economics book--

productivity is directly related to living standards. that means, the harder you work, the better life is. even in a democratic society. it's all the same. if a group of people slack off more in work, it affects the living standards of the entire nation. even in a democracy. so congrats, it's not just communism.

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The OP didn't really say anything that needed him to back up his arguements yet. He made an introduction, and you guys are pretending it is his main arguement.

Opinion, and unbacked by any proof whatsoever.


You're stupid if you don't see a pattern in world history...

Opinion, and no source.


You, moth... err... good sir... are the one who failed to provide a source. What he said didn't need to be sourced because he asked you to find an example of communism gone right.

ALSO: Cuba and China are communist. Are you saying that Cuba and China no longer exist?


They exist, but a huge percentage of their population live in poverty. So they don't count because they aren't supporting as many people as the Capitalist government. The Capitalist government may horde a lot of money, but at least they take care of their people!

you act like the US (one of the most democratic and untaxed countries) hasn't had leaders who have fallen victim to "greedy power hungry rulers" or "massacres".


He never even mentioned America you retard!

HAHA! you must not know anything if you think history books are unbiased.
history books have more fillers than menthol cigarettes.


And the people teaching you about Communism aren't biased? Pfft.

learn things before you speak


Follow your own advice! If you hate America so much, move to China!

Don't use the Soviet Union as your model for communism that was a dictatorship that had a socialized economic system.


Then why the hell do you want it back so badly? Why do you take so many pro-communist arguements from important people from the USSR?

that's completely false. in reality, communism encourages harder work because -- and this is stuff that was in the 4th page of my high school Economics book--


No, communism does not encourage people to work harder. Even if it did (which it doesn't), are you saying that Capitalism doesn't encourage people to work harder? Sure, a lazy person might make it big, but generally they make it big by being smart.

productivity is directly related to living standards. that means, the harder you work, the better life is. even in a democratic society. it's all the same.


True, but if everyone realized this, there would be no lazy people anywhere at all. Under capitalism, hard work will get you somewhere, and yet there are lazy people.

All you communists need to go to China to live.
German3945
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He never even mentioned America you retard!

it was an example, as i noted that the US is one of the most democratic nations, opposite of communism. UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU READ
And the people teaching you about Communism aren't biased? Pfft.

i look at facts and teach myself, or am taught by teachers who teach FACTS. i refuse to be taught by a teacher that does set apart a part of each lesson to state what the history book is wrong about, and have consistently recieved program changes until recieving an unbiased teacher.
Then why the hell do you want it back so badly? Why do you take so many pro-communist arguements from important people from the USSR?

HE MENTIONED THE USSR in his beginning argument, as his basis of his model. READ BEFORE YOU WRITE.
No, communism does not encourage people to work harder. Even if it did (which it doesn't), are you saying that Capitalism doesn't encourage people to work harder? Sure, a lazy person might make it big, but generally they make it big by being smart.

communism has propaganda telling people to work harder so everyone can be better off. and i was showing how communism encourages such moreso, as not everyone is on the same level in cap'sm, but they do effect eachothers' living standards.
if everyone realized this, there would be no lazy people anywhere at all. Under capitalism, hard work will get you somewhere, and yet there are lazy people.

i never SAID everyone realized this, i was stating the fact in both communism and capitalism, people slacking off lead to everyone being worse off (because productivity of a society is directly related to living standards of said society)

SO: even though communism holds would-be rich people back due to slackers, CAPITALISM DOES THE SAME THING.
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