ForumsWEPRWhats better in a recession...tax cuts or stimulus dollars

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REAMER
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i kinda like cutting taxes...after all isn't it considered a bad idea to make drastic changes when you are in a time of crisis? I was just wondering what everyone else thought.

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German3945
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WOW.

STIMULUS DOLLARS. by a long shot.

tax cuts give the gov't a VERY large amount of more debts, and it's hard to get taxes raised.

stimulus dollars for food stamps.

It is evident that every dollar of food stamps is equal to about 1.20's worth (i think) of economic benefit.

thelistman
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Hoover cut taxes. Depression worsens. FAIL
FDR provided stimulus dollars. WIN
Bush cut taxes. Economy falls into crapper. FAIL
Obama and other world leaders provide stimulus. Economy recovers quickly. WIN

deserteagle
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Obama and other world leaders provide stimulus. Economy recovers quickly. WIN


At the expense of inflation and taxpayer money.
German3945
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At the expense of inflation and taxpayer money.

You obviously don't understand how serious it is for the economy to recover.
deserteagle
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^Oh but I do. Money doesn't appear put of nowhere german.
It comes from the press, or the your wallet.

German3945
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^Oh but I do. Money doesn't appear put of nowhere german.
It comes from the press, or the your wallet.

or, since Obama isn't a corrupt bitch, it comes mainly from the rich people's wallet, considering i'm way too middle class.

so fuck off.

also, debts are lower later on due to inflation.
deserteagle
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or, since Obama isn't a corrupt *****, it comes mainly from the rich people's wallet, considering i'm way too middle class.

I never said Obama is corrupt. Obama isn't taxing just the rich. Most of American doesn't make a paycheck in the 7 or 8 figure range.

so **** off.

(facepalms) what does this statement accomplish? It shows me that you are immature and ignorant.

also, debts are lower later on due to inflation.

True, but the price of everything rises while your paycheck doesn't increase.
Graham
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At the expense of inflation and taxpayer money.


yesh

Hoover cut taxes.  Depression worsens.

The Revenue Act of 1929 wasdesigned to promote recovery. It marked a notable foray into fiscal activism, especially for a Republican administration. But the law's mechanism for promoting recovery was hardly Keynesian. Rather, it was rooted in traditional theories of public finance -- theories emphasizing the importance of balanced budgets and fiscal rectitude, not deliberate deficits and stimulatory spending.
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FDR provided stimulus dollars.

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Bush cut taxes.  Economy falls into crapper.

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Obama and other world leaders provide stimulus.  Economy recovers quick

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Graham
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agh, char limit.

depends on how and when you use them.

deserteagle
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Ahhh...

There's nothing quite like winning a debate. I'm waiting for your reply german.

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At the expense of inflation and taxpayer money.

I'd take a bit of inflation and higher taxes to have a job. I'm pretty sure the job would more than pay off the new expenses.

Look at Germany and Japan, they spent huge amounts on stimulus packages, and they have already declared their recessions over. They are experiencing growth. They spent much more per capita than the US, and they are back to normal. Hmm... spending works!

deserteagle
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I'd take a bit of inflation and higher taxes to have a job. I'm pretty sure the job would more than pay off the new expenses.


Why put money into a company that is failing and who's executive officers use about half of it on bonus pay? The company is essentially living off the stimulus.
[url= http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/46262/hanns-w-maull/germany-and-japan-the-new-civilian-powers ]

I skimed this.
thelistman
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Why put money into a company that is failing and who's executive officers use about half of it on bonus pay? The company is essentially living off the stimulus.

I don't support bonuses and executive packages. The stimulus plans like new construction jobs, keeping important companies afloat, and giving tax breaks to small business are the things I support.

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Opening up public work places to create new jobs and restore consumer confidence....

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Opening up public work places to create new jobs and restore consumer confidence....


Full employment is not the way to get out of a recession. I think the British governments of 64-79 proved that much.

The key is not to protect jobs, but to make it easier for employers to fire people. The easier jobs can be destroyed, the easier they can be created.

In answer to the OP, I seedirect tax cuts fairly useless, due to the paradox of thrift. Individuals will more often than not save the money they would gain from a tax break rather than spend it and stimulate the economy. Stimulus packages are the way to go.
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