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vbut realistically we need to be a part of the NEGOTIATIONS

what? please elaborate veo.... I don't see how leaving a matter of nukes in the hands of an unstable country alone could be good at all.

Iran wants the nuclear plants for electricity, not nukes. Or they say. It isn't for us to immediately judge the worse.

Yeah guys! Lets all invade every Frkin country that tries to get to .0000000001% of our estimated &quotower level". Yeah boi! Yeah Boi! Yeah Boi!!!

Bullcrap. India, Pakistan, China, and Israel are ALL Nuclear. Hell, America payed for Israel's Nuclear Program.

Now, if Iran makes it and Israel takes its threats out to bomb away, let it happen. Who are we to interfere? What is it going to change? Are we actually afraid of a terrorist attack coming as a national Iranian plan? Terrorists are not all of the Middle East, they're little, dumb packs hellbent on what they supposedly believe is right. Its not like the entire world is out to get us, and its not up to us to go around killing them all.

If we invade Iran and lose 3x as much as Iraq, you'll still love Obama, won't you?

I dont think the USA has to worry, I am not American, or Even North American for that matter, but really... who are we to judge it's progrm? Isreal has been a huge almost fortress like state, that has fascist, and racial policies towards the native Palestinians. There should be a seperate state for the Palaenstinians, but thats not about this thread. But if Isreal can have Nuclear weapons when they should have no right to... why cant Iran, a country to match ISreal's power, have them as well? I doubt the Iranians will use the nuclear arms to actually invoke onto any other nation... They would rather use it as a deterrance, or a showcase item to back up their decisions. And really... It would be better to have ISreal's power in check, so they stop this madness they have been doing.

And also it would keep right wing fanatics and Extremists from doing much harm in the middle east, so we actually have another police force fighting them. Instead of treating Iran as a right wing dictatorship, which, in all due respects, It isnt as bad as that anymore, considering they did have a election( No matter how suspicous it was, it was proven to be fair) Then perhaps if we treat them as a ally, then mabye we could rid the middle east of this extremism.


However, even on the case of these "terroists" many of these people, are often blackmailed into fighting, such as having their families at gunpoint, so they have no choice whether they are terrosits or not. Then there is the hard boiled extremists we know and hate. We shouldnt hate your average militia man in the middle east, jsut because he is either defending his country, or rebelling agaisnt a corrupt goverment. But it deosnt mean, if we are fighting them, we let them take advantage of us. In war, we kill our enemy, no matter who they are, whether they are men, women, or children.

Now this may sound inhumane, but in battle, morals dont exist. The Geneva code and the human rights are mere words spoken by politicians. But... it deosnt mean we have the right, to invade every country that barely has a chance to stand up to the USA or the other powers.

hmm, you just realized iran had a nuclear program? where were you for the past year.

Iran doesnt have to shut down its nuclear program because it would use it for power, and not nuclear weapons.

It depends on wheter it was to show that the country was not to be messed with or to use it for industrial/energy use.

I am no expert on politics or anything . . .

I believe that trying to get Iran to close down their nuclear plant is going to be nearly impossible to do, without invading. America and Britain have been attacking Afghanistan and Iran for quite a while now, along with the peace operation etc., and therefore I think this is Iran's attempt to hold up a worrying fight: and after harrowing them as much as we have, I would not be surprised if they are now desperate to keep the plant open long enough to make nuclear weapons.
Regardless of the discussion held by diplomats and political figures of America, Britain, and Russia, I think Iran will continue to manufacture whatever is being built within the boundaries of the plant. If that is the scenario, and the plant continues to be active, it could pose a threat to the countries whom are declaring nuclear disarmament. I would not be surprised if all of Russia, America, Britain and other allies fight Iran to get the plant closed, which could cause war: quite a cataclysmic war. In a recent speech by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, many politicians of Japan, and Britain, and America all left after being provoked by his speech against other nations of the world. This could arouse even more reasons for war.

As for the main question, I believe it should not be closed down until first strike, and see whom it hits, otherwise we may be dragging the nations into unnecessary wars. If they do launch a missile at us . . . It will teach us not to provoke a nation even after you've won the war . . .

The only reason I see Iran being treated like a threat and a nation that should not have nuclear weapons is because the Iranian government has isolated itself socially. Their "leader" has made outspoken statements about Israel.

If George W. Bush was still the President, the United States would surely consider invasion. Obama however, probably will use diplomacy since he historically believes in having both sides backing down.

The fact is, Nuclear weapons are still a threat, but even though that fact holds true, the cold war died nearly 20 years ago.

We live in a world of asymetric warfare and regional conflict, and numerous geurilla hit and run attrition battles.
We don't really rely on big superpowers manipulating the scenes as much, considering USA has gone into a free fall with its economics, and Russia is just climbing to its former spot, since it's still recovering from its implode when the Soviet Union fell.

China is having problems with regional matters, and they are still trying to supress and "teach" their mass labour force that if they ever were to be as spoiled and brat like as us Westerners, they would probably bankrupt the earth of resources.

But now, we live in a world that is plagued by numerous insurgencies, and not of which all of them are by cruel evil extremists. Rather, its a bunch of average folk, like you an me, who are trying to make their country better to live in, and they can't jsut migrate. Even with open and easy going countries such as Canada and so on, there arent enough spots and the waiting list is long, as well asthey probably lack the funds. So they had to turn to war, and they were scraping by to begin with, so they resort to being geurilla's, or as many of the dictators and tyrants in these nations call them, "terrosits" or "insurgents".

Yemen is a good example of this.
Whatever the case, Iran should be allowed to have Nuclear missles, considering that if you count the warheads that are around today for the USA alone... You get close to 10000 disposed warheads. But That does not mean the radioactive Nuclear material is disposed of, and all it takes is a few corrupt officials to let their eyes wander and then its on the black market. So in truth, we can never, at least in our, our childrens, or even our grandchildren's lifetime's could we ever disposes of all the nukes, besides detonating them all. Even the nuclear storage facilities are overflowing, and now its a hazard to the enviroment. Cherynobyl, the worst disaster in hsitory, is still a hazardous pile of nuclear waste. even the animals there are all mutated and disformed.

So if generally the BIG 5 are allowed nuclear weapons,(china, russia, Britain, France, USA.) and other nations such as India, North Korea, Pakistan, Iran, and even Germany, allowed Nuclear weapons, why cant we allow them to, at least have that as a sign to keep invaders and other types of harmful intruders threatened in a general sign, IF YOU STRIKE US, WE BOMB YOU.

I dont see any harm, just keep with its good side, and if any other lowly and right wing nations want nuclear weapons, send in inspectors beforehand, and keep the anti nuclear policy so they never have weapons in the first place. Iran will be our new ally in the middle east, just make sure the Iranian President is on good terms with us.

That is true Kirby998. However, I'm not sure how Korea hasn't gotten more attention. They made threats to anyone who insulted them to use their missiles (Korea that is).

Iran wants the nuclear plants for electricity, not nukes. Or they say. It isn't for us to immediately judge the worse.

Right now there is no question of if Iran are developing nukes.

Why would someone who was innocently creating electricity go to the trouble of building underground development sites, and then, when found out by the West, after lying about their existence, claim they would have told the world anyway, and that they hadn't go round to it yet. Yeah right.

Exactly my point. Im not saying either country has mroe right, to be able to have a nuclear threat, but really, the USA is threatining to the rest of the world, and the big 5, which exclude basically all except, Russia, China, America, Britain and France, if they are the only ones who have nukes, why should ISreal, a state that purged Islamic beleivers soley becuase, "We are the jews. this is our land, the land of David." philosphy, yet the palestinians been living there for as much time as the hebrew people, why cant Iran, a nation which is islamic, but basicalyl a equil to Isreal, which purged it's Persian Shah and the Zuthorstrians,(may have mispelt Zuthustrians.)
Why shouldnt they have nukes, when both states are equilly plagued by atrocities? I don't see any reason, besides the fact USA has bad relations with Iran, when it is merely because of Cold War rivarlies, and yet, even though the cold war died 20 years ago, why cant it finally get on good terms with the nation?

Stupid thing didn't post the first time.

You can't hug your children with nuclear arms.

yet the palestinians been living there for as much time as the hebrew people