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Klaushouse

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Posted October 10, '09 5:17am UTC

You are stupid.

Some of you stupid people do not understand how much money it costs to keep this site running. You have a even harder time understanding the complexity of Dan not having multiple money trees planted in his back yard beside his flying unicorns. Dan spends hundreds if not thousands making sure this site stays up and running for thousands of little children.

This is not Dan, or his backyard.

Why do you like this site? Probably because it's very simple to register, join, login, play free games and talk to other kids. But this great and simple design didn't just appear. People were payed to design it, code it, and make so simple that a kid can come on and instinctively know what to do, making sure you have the best time possible, and this isn't cheap. At all. Not only does he pay coders/designers, but he pays game makers, quite substantial amounts of money to make the best games you all love. And he pays them a lot, if any of you pay attention you will know some people get thousands of dollars for a single game.

This cost Dan thousands of dollars, and you pay $0 to play it.

But hey! All these great features, we must be paying a lot for this much free games, and user easy of access! How much? Oh wait nothing! But wait a second... let's do some off the top of my head math...

Dan + No User Fees = Expensive To Maintain Website

No that just doesn't sound around right. There must be a missing factor.

Dan + No User Fees + X = Expensive To Maintain Website

Now let's brain storm and see what X could be that keeps this site running, oh wait no I know, ads! So the equation goes like this:

Dan + No User Fees + Ads = Expensive To Maintain Website

Now in reality the equation is much more complex but we will keep it simple for you. But what happens if you take the ads away from the equation? It's like taking away the 4 from 4 + 2 = 6, it just won't make sense or work out. Which is why they exist.

Average AG user trying to keep up with my math.

[quote]Don't worry guys, don't like ads? Use ad blocker! So cool!

Says 'Stupid Child A'

But aren't the ads there for a reason? Or why else would they be there?

Says 'Moderately Smart Child B'

Don't be stupid, ads are just there to annoy us, they don't mind if we block them, makes no difference!

Replies 'Stupid Child A'

Oh okay, I guess that makes sense Stupid Child A. Thanks for pointing that out to me, let's go whine about Sonny 3 and how it's taking forever just after Sonny 2 came out a week ago!

Says 'Recently Deemed Stupid Child B'

Yeah let's go!

Finishes 'Stupid Child A'[/quote]

By blocking ads to make your petty lives easier, you are making harder for Dan to keep the site running, because he gets less money because of it. You block ads and this makes him want to keep this site under his management less and less, because money will soon come out of his pocket, money he works hard for, and deserves to keep. By blocking ads you are ensuring that this site won't survive for long. You will keep whining that the site has ads until he can't afford to run the site and either:
A) Sells it off to someone who will change the site to your dislike.
B) Make the site pay-2-play, so you will all have to pay.
C) Close the site in it's entirety.

http://io9.com/assets/resources/2008/02/1984_movie_big_brother.jpg

The future of ArmorGames due to Ad-Blockers.

You whine, but you pay nothing. If you were all ready to pay money yourselves, then complain, but if you don't like the idea of a pay to view website, you better expect a few ads. Think of the ads as your donation/fee to Dan to keep the site up, by blocking them you are trying to view the site without even paying the little minuscule entrance fee.

I don't mind ads, but now they are popping up in front of my screen and on the sides of the site! Normal ones are fine but they are now literally littering my screen to a point where I can't navigate the site.

Would you like to know who is to blame? Yourselves. This is a direct consequence of all you stupid kids who block ads, and lose Dan money.

Lets say it cost 10 dollars to run the site(it's not $10, but just as an example to explain). And the ads pay for let's say 11 dollars.
This 10 dollars goes to maintaining the site, and the extra dollar is put aside to save up and make the site even better. This comes to us as additional content or upgrades to the site/forum.

Now lets say that the ads pay for 11 usually, but now because people are blocking ads, he only gets 9 from them instead of 11. So this means he can't afford maintaining the site, let alone adding new things to it! How can this be? He will need to find a new way to make up for the 2 dollars he loses because of kids like you who block, and how does he do this? He compensates for the loss by making the other users who don't block, have even more ads. Annoying ads that appear on the sides and even over the site are there because he needs those to compensate for the loss of money generated by those who block ads. So not only are you making more ads appear by blocking, but you are making sure that he can't make enough money to update the site. You all complain new features never come on the site, and that is mainly because all the money that WOULD go to updating AG goes right into maintaining the normal site, due to losing money from blockers.

http://xjtian94.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/internet-advertising.jpg

Frontpage of Armorgames if enough people start blocking ads.

I hope you stupid kids semi understand this, so that you stop blocking the site. Because you are the main cause of it's lack of updates and increased ads. So unless you have a check ready to be payed to ArmorGames every month to ensure it staying up, I suggest you shut up and live with the ads.

P.S. I said stupid 6 times in this, almost a personal record.

You are stupid.\r\n\r\nSome of you stupid people do not understand how much money it costs to keep this site running. You have a even harder time understanding the complexity of Dan not having multiple money trees planted in his back yard beside his flying unicorns. Dan spends hundreds if not thousands making sure this site stays up and running for thousands of little children.\r\n\r\n[img]http://lh4.google.co.uk/charliechia/RwHQxG96fRI/AAAAAAAAAYo/od3WZw50cX4/s400/money_tree%20copy.jpg[/img]\r\n[b]This is not Dan, or his backyard.[/b]\r\n\r\nWhy do you like this site? Probably because it's very simple to register, join, login, play free games and talk to other kids. But this great and simple design didn't just appear. People were payed to design it, code it, and make so simple that a kid can come on and instinctively know what to do, making sure you have the best time possible, and this isn't cheap. At all. Not only does he pay coders/designers, but he pays game makers, quite substantial amounts of money to make the best games you all love. And he pays them a lot, if any of you pay attention you will know some people get thousands of dollars for a single game.\r\n\r\n[img]http://www.undeadreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/the_last_stand_2.jpg[/img]\r\n[b]This cost Dan thousands of dollars, and you pay $0 to play it.[/b]\r\n\r\nBut hey! All these great features, we must be paying a lot for this much free games, and user easy of access! How much? Oh wait nothing! But wait a second... let's do some off the top of my head math...\r\n\r\nDan + No User Fees = Expensive To Maintain Website\r\n\r\nNo that just doesn't sound around right. There must be a missing factor.\r\n\r\nDan + No User Fees + X = Expensive To Maintain Website\r\n\r\nNow let's brain storm and see what X could be that keeps this site running, oh wait no I know, ads! So the equation goes like this:\r\n\r\nDan + No User Fees + Ads = Expensive To Maintain Website\r\n\r\nNow in reality the equation is much more complex but we will keep it simple for you. But what happens if you take the ads away from the equation? It's like taking away the 4 from 4 + 2 = 6, it just won't make sense or work out. Which is why they exist.\r\n\r\n[img]http://tonova.typepad.com/thesuddencurve/images/2008/08/16/hillbilly.jpg[/img]\r\n[b]Average AG user trying to keep up with my math.[/b]\r\n\r\n[quote][quote]Don't worry guys, don't like ads? Use ad blocker! So cool![/quote]\r\nSays 'Stupid Child A'\r\n[quote]But aren't the ads there for a reason? Or why else would they be there?[/quote]\r\nSays 'Moderately Smart Child B'\r\n[quote]Don't be stupid, ads are just there to annoy us, they don't mind if we block them, makes no difference![/quote]\r\nReplies 'Stupid Child A'\r\n[quote]Oh okay, I guess that makes sense Stupid Child A. Thanks for pointing that out to me, let's go whine about Sonny 3 and how it's taking forever just after Sonny 2 came out a week ago![/quote]\r\nSays 'Recently Deemed Stupid Child B'\r\n[quote]Yeah let's go![/quote]\r\nFinishes 'Stupid Child A'[/quote]\r\n\r\nBy blocking ads to make your petty lives easier, you are making harder for Dan to keep the site running, because he gets less money because of it. You block ads and this makes him want to keep this site under his management less and less, because money will soon come out of his pocket, money he works hard for, and deserves to keep. By blocking ads you are ensuring that this site won't survive for long. You will keep whining that the site has ads until he can't afford to run the site and either:\r\nA) Sells it off to someone who will change the site to your dislike.\r\nB) Make the site pay-2-play, so you will all have to pay.\r\nC) Close the site in it's entirety. \r\n\r\n[img]http://io9.com/assets/resources/2008/02/1984_movie_big_brother.jpg[/img]\r\n[b]The future of ArmorGames due to Ad-Blockers.[/b]\r\n\r\nYou whine, but you pay nothing. If you were all ready to pay money yourselves, then complain, but if you don't like the idea of a pay to view website, you better expect a few ads. Think of the ads as your donation/fee to Dan to keep the site up, by blocking them you are trying to view the site without even paying the little minuscule entrance fee.\r\n\r\n[quote]I don't mind ads, but now they are popping up in front of my screen and on the sides of the site! Normal ones are fine but they are now literally littering my screen to a point where I can't navigate the site.[/quote]\r\nWould you like to know who is to blame? Yourselves. This is a direct consequence of all you stupid kids who block ads, and lose Dan money. \r\n\r\nLets say it cost 10 dollars to run the site(it's not $10, but just as an example to explain). And the ads pay for let's say 11 dollars.\r\nThis 10 dollars goes to maintaining the site, and the extra dollar is put aside to save up and make the site even better. This comes to us as additional content or upgrades to the site/forum. \r\n\r\nNow lets say that the ads pay for 11 usually, but now because people are blocking ads, he only gets 9 from them instead of 11. So this means he can't afford maintaining the site, let alone adding new things to it! How can this be? He will need to find a new way to make up for the 2 dollars he loses because of kids like you who block, and how does he do this? He compensates for the loss by making the other users who don't block, have even more ads. Annoying ads that appear on the sides and even over the site are there because he needs those to compensate for the loss of money generated by those who block ads. So not only are you making more ads appear by blocking, but you are making sure that he can't make enough money to update the site. You all complain new features never come on the site, and that is mainly because all the money that WOULD go to updating AG goes right into maintaining the normal site, due to losing money from blockers.\r\n\r\n[img]http://xjtian94.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/internet-advertising.jpg[/img]\r\n[b]Frontpage of Armorgames if enough people start blocking ads.[/b]\r\n\r\nI hope you stupid kids semi understand this, so that you stop blocking the site. Because you are the main cause of it's lack of updates and increased ads. So unless you have a check ready to be payed to ArmorGames every month to ensure it staying up, I suggest you shut up and live with the ads.\r\n\r\nP.S. I said stupid 6 times in this, almost a personal record.

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yielee

618 posts

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Posted March 13, '10 10:30pm UTC

Carlie is the Administrator of AG, and the Community Manager. She's the go-between of us and the and owner of AG. Look at the list, she's third in command. There's the owner, then the head of game development, and then Carlie. Her opinions are totaly reprentative of AG. That's what she does, in case you haden't noticed.

And anyway, selfishness drives both places, it drives AG to make money from us coming to play games. So if a person is bothered or inconvenienced by the types of ads that AG runs, then AG needs to change the way it runs its ads so people aren't driven to Ad blockers. That's called the free market last time I checked. We're there customers so they have to listen. The more aggressive and bothersome they get with their ads, the more peolpe will block them. The solution is to make their ads appeal to us so we'll click on them more often than block them out. Instead, there making them more aggressive so they'll go around some kinds of pop-up blockers and until you experience malware for yourself being uploaded from AG you can't say Ad-blocking is too extreme or too selfish when alls your doing is protecting yourself.

Carlie is the Administrator of AG, and the Community Manager. She's the go-between of us and the and owner of AG. Look at the list, she's third in command. There's the owner, then the head of game development, and then Carlie. Her opinions are totaly reprentative of AG. That's what she does, in case you haden't noticed. \r\n\r\nAnd anyway, selfishness drives both places, it drives AG to make money from us coming to play games. So if a person is bothered or inconvenienced by the types of ads that AG runs, then AG needs to change the way it runs its ads so people aren't driven to Ad blockers. That's called the free market last time I checked. We're there customers so they have to listen. The more aggressive and bothersome they get with their ads, the more peolpe will block them. The solution is to make their ads appeal to us so we'll click on them more often than block them out. Instead, there making them more aggressive so they'll go around some kinds of pop-up blockers and until you experience malware for yourself being uploaded from AG you can't say Ad-blocking is too extreme or too selfish when alls your doing is protecting yourself.

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Zanto_zsnes

1,148 posts

Nomad

Posted March 13, '10 10:36pm UTC

Companies pay AG for there Ad's to appear on AG, and they get a lot of those called $

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linkroxdaskl

5 posts

Nomad

Posted March 14, '10 10:39pm UTC

i agree with Klaus but if he put more in i wouldn't mind but maybe make ads smaller if thats possible

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TharosTheDragon

202 posts

Farmer

Posted March 15, '10 6:23am UTC

selfishness drives both places, it drives AG to make money from us coming to play games

How can you say that? How can you say that AG is being selfish by trying to keep the site running? Have you even read the OP? AG's ads getting more aggressive is a direct result of people blocking ads. These people are making things worse for the rest of us. Yes, we have a free market. That means it's entirely your choice to screw people over until they can't provide you with free entertainment anymore.

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Blaz3X

35 posts

Nomad

Posted March 15, '10 7:16am UTC

ADS!?!?!?
I hate them sooooo bad...
They slo me down and.......
ya i hate them!!!

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adrian858

9 posts

Nomad

Posted March 15, '10 3:28pm UTC

I completely agree you guys know how much money it costs
to run this website I say if you havent submitted a game you can't
play them! PS it costs over a million dollars to run this site a year

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bazaar

19 posts

Nomad

Posted March 16, '10 1:48am UTC

I say if you havent submitted a game you can't
play them!

Exactly how long did you think about this one?

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Corneth

20 posts

Nomad

Posted March 16, '10 11:45pm UTC

silly Noobs, YOU NEED MONEYS FOR WEBSITE

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DrElmer

552 posts

Shepherd

Posted March 18, '10 3:08am UTC

I say if you havent submitted a game you can't
play them!

You would be shocked how much site traffic this site would lose in the first few minutes of that update. Within a few days, this site would have no people. Not even Carlie, because she never submitted any games.

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coldplaya

355 posts

Nomad

Posted March 21, '10 8:31pm UTC

PPl Live With the fact that ArmorGames cant survive without the helping hand of ads in this Diving And Dead Economy of ours

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bazaar

19 posts

Nomad

Posted March 22, '10 6:12am UTC

PPl Live With the fact that ArmorGames cant survive without the helping hand of ads in this Diving And Dead Economy of ours

I can live with that as long as they can live with the fact that I refuse to contribute financially to their little website hobby.

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metalrockmania

23 posts

Nomad

Posted March 22, '10 6:37am UTC

it's ok to have ads .

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dnordby

9 posts

Nomad

Posted March 22, '10 11:32am UTC

Listen. Adds are fine. Personally I think some people have gone a little overboard in defending their obnoxious existence, but seriously, what do you expect on a free site? My econ prof. always said "There's no free lunch"...I assume that can be true of websites too: someone has to pay for it, so if it's adds then so be it. However, I do happen to think that replacing the random game with the "web game" was a low blow. I got on one day and in addition to all the adds there were pop-ups and the random game was gone. I can even deal with the popp-ups...though I hate them so much. But when I'm tricked (through a bad habit of my own creating I suppose) into clicking and being taken to a "web game"...that's not cool. ArmorGames should at least have a second link below the web game to the random game again. That solves all problems right? Money for the site, and random games for gamers. Good. Do it.

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MrDayCee

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Posted March 22, '10 12:53pm UTC

I can live with that as long as they can live with the fact that I refuse to contribute financially to their little website hobby.

Well... then there's a choice you have to make there bazaar...
Either you enjoy playing games here on AG for free, or you disgard AG and move on to another gaming website... where you would encounter the very same thing that IS clearly a problem in your opinion!

Accept that ads are needed to keep AG running people... there's no other solution for this! =)

My father (smart man) always told me:

Only the sun rises for free every day... and even that is costing you the night...

Think about that!

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knight_34

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Posted March 22, '10 12:57pm UTC

However, I do happen to think that replacing the random game with the "web game" was a low blow.

Low blow? Ha, a low blow would be displaying pornographic ads. I've seen flash game sites which already have more unsightly advertisements.

ArmorGames should at least have a second link below the web game to the random game again.

I do have to agree with that.

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