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"statistics shows us that the living standards in Cuba are relatively high compared to other nations in Latin America"

its pro-communist living standards are many times lower compared with its pre-castro living standards of the 1950's. this is due to the failures of fidel, not to the american embargo. do you even know how the embargo got started? fidel's idiocy is what started it.

after america won the war against spain they granted cuba the right to gain her independence. with this american influence, cuba developed a pro-capitalist economy and for about 50 years havana was booming. fidel saw that the wealth was not being distributed SO HE REFUSED TO DO BUSINESS WITH AMERICA! he kicked out every american citizen, taking over their homes and corporations. in response, america initiated its trade embargo.

well, it's been about 50 years, fidel has had AMPLE OPPORTUNITY to develop an economically independent cuba. but he failed! rather than finding ways to achieve economic independence, fidel turned cuba into a giant welfare recipient, milking like a baby off the soviet empire. what happened when communism crashed? in 1990, SOVIET SUBSIDIES TO CUBA WORTH FIVE BILLION/YR WERE HALTED.

let me say that again. in 1990, SOVIET SUBSIDIES TO CUBA WORTH FIVE BILLION/YR WERE HALTED. fidel's economy had no legs to stand on. america saw this suffering and opened the embargo allowing medicine and food to be traded, now AMERICA IS NOW CUBA'S 5th LARGEST TRADING PARTNER. so all that suffering wasn't caused by the embargo at all, it was caused by fidel! therefore,

"it's a weak excuse for cuba to blame another country for its failures."

This is funny I thought I lost what I had written when it didn't post but I found it was still there.

Drace, again the absurdity of your statements makes me laugh. Cubans have more doctors because they are stuck in their country and cannot go anywhere else as they normally would. More people are employed because the government is made to be so sprawling that everyone has a cousin that works for them. Cuba cannot compete with anyone the way things are. The instant Cubans are allowed to leave the country I foresee a mass exodus.

its pro-communist living standards are many times lower compared with its pre-castro living standards of the 1950's. this is due to the failures of fidel, not to the american embargo. do you even know how the embargo got started? fidel's idiocy is what started it.

after america won the war against spain they granted cuba the right to gain her independence. with this american influence, cuba developed a pro-capitalist economy and for about 50 years havana was booming. fidel saw that the wealth was not being distributed SO HE REFUSED TO DO BUSINESS WITH AMERICA! he kicked out every american citizen, taking over their homes and corporations. in response, america initiated its trade embargo.

well, it's been about 50 years, fidel has had AMPLE OPPORTUNITY to develop an economically independent cuba. but he failed! rather than finding ways to achieve economic independence, fidel turned cuba into a giant welfare recipient, milking like a baby off the soviet empire. what happened when communism crashed? in 1990, SOVIET SUBSIDIES TO CUBA WORTH FIVE BILLION/YR WERE HALTED.

let me say that again. in 1990, SOVIET SUBSIDIES TO CUBA WORTH FIVE BILLION/YR WERE HALTED. fidel's economy had no legs to stand on. america saw this suffering and opened the embargo allowing medicine and food to be traded, now AMERICA IS NOW CUBA'S 5th LARGEST TRADING PARTNER. so all that suffering wasn't caused by the embargo at all, it was caused by fidel! therefore,

Might I add that the embargo has been condemned multiple times by the UN and many countries.

Drace, again the absurdity of your statements makes me laugh.

Cubans have more doctors because they are stuck in their country and cannot go anywhere else as they normally would.

More people are employed because the government is made to be so sprawling that everyone has a cousin that works for them.

Cuba cannot compete with anyone the way things are.

The instant Cubans are allowed to leave the country I foresee a mass exodus.

Makes no sense. Even if everyone had a paid vacation and 5 million people went out of the country. The rate of doctors would still be 1 in 169. I don't see the relation of being stuck in a country and having a high amount of doctors

Vacation... wow. Statistics show that large numbers of doctors that become professionals travel to the... yep you guessed it, United States so they can get rich. It is often reffered to as the brain drain and provides a better life for those with Masters and Doctorates (yes I know you meant MDs but it is much wider spread). They come here and the country of their origin loses brillaint minds.

the point of the revolution was to ban american wealth from cuba? then by blaming a lack of american wealth on cuba's miseries, he suggests that the revolution was a mistake. what a complete moron!

america was like a fast food restaurant and cubans loved american fries. fidel was like a customer that blamed his obesity on the fries instead of himself. so he kicked them out of cuba. in retaliation, the american fast food company refused to take any more orders from fidel. his solution was to order pizza from the soviet restaurant. when the soviet restaurant closed, he complained that the american fast food company was the cause of his hunger all along. but we know it wasn't. fidel's fault was that he never learned how to cook for himself.

to help explain the analogy. the new cuban communists were so concerned about distributing the wealth, that they ignored methods of its accumulation. fidel failed cuba by not creating industries that could sustain it in times of economic crisis. instead, he looked for handouts from the soviet mother. when she stopped her subsidies, cuba hit a recession and fidel blamed the americans instead of himself.

Vacation... wow. Statistics show that large numbers of doctors that become professionals travel to the... yep you guessed it, United States so they can get rich. It is often reffered to as the brain drain and provides a better life for those with Masters and Doctorates (yes I know you meant MDs but it is much wider spread). They come here and the country of their origin loses brillaint minds.

the point of the revolution was to ban american wealth from cuba? then by blaming a lack of american wealth on cuba's miseries, he suggests that the revolution was a mistake. what a complete moron!

to help explain the analogy. the new cuban communists were so concerned about distributing the wealth, that they ignored methods of its accumulation. fidel failed cuba by not creating industries that could sustain it in times of economic crisis. instead, he looked for handouts from the soviet mother. when she stopped her subsidies, cuba hit a recession and fidel blamed the americans instead of himself.

there were many ways that cuba could have sprung forward with a strong economic system independent of american influence. it just failed to figure out how to do it. however, it does export doctors in return for oil.

cuba has about 65 to 70,000 doctors and roughly 25 to 30,000 are exported to other countries. so the figure for persons per doctor is a lie. it's about 271 people per cuban-resident doctor whereas america's stats is about 244 persons per primary care providers as of 2005.

cuban healthcare in general is atrocious. only the wealthy and members of the communist party have all their needs met. sure, everyone gets basic needs met. however, for advanced medicines, surgeries, and treatments, cuban citizens are expected to pay under the table. there are about 12 percent communist party members within the total cuban population so this leaves a great deal of the population without the means to adequate health care.

unemployment. since the economic crash, people who worked in the cities were moved to the fields. these were entrepreneurs asked to raise potatoes for the common good. they were dirt poor, literally. cuba has food rations. you only get so much, and everything beyond that is a crime. nevertheless, the entrepreneurs from the cities took the chance on selling extra potato from the fields anyway. they soon made more money on this newly created black market than they could by registering for work through the government. so many people were doing this that fidel's solution was to legalize the black market. now instead of seeing an unemployed field laborer, you'll see a self-employed businessman. the name just changed, but the effect lowered the unemployment figures.

the point of the revolution was to ban american wealth from cuba? then by blaming a lack of american wealth on cuba's miseries, he suggests that the revolution was a mistake. what a complete moron!

cuba has about 65 to 70,000 doctors and roughly 25 to 30,000 are exported to other countries. so the figure for persons per doctor is a lie. it's about 271 people per cuban-resident doctor whereas america's stats is about 244 persons per primary care providers as of 2005.

there were many ways that cuba could have sprung forward with a strong economic system independent of american influence. it just failed to figure out how to do it. however, it does export doctors in return for oil.

cuba has about 65 to 70,000 doctors and roughly 25 to 30,000 are exported to other countries. so the figure for persons per doctor is a lie. it's about 271 people per cuban-resident doctor whereas america's stats is about 244 persons per primary care providers as of 2005.

cuban healthcare in general is atrocious. only the wealthy and members of the communist party have all their needs met. sure, everyone gets basic needs met. however, for advanced medicines, surgeries, and treatments, cuban citizens are expected to pay under the table. there are about 12 percent communist party members within the total cuban population so this leaves a great deal of the population without the means to adequate health care.

Why not? Wikipedia lists its sources. I never seen any misinformation on it.

Wikipedia in a debate is not a source Drace.

There a lot of moderators on there that watch every change made.
I tried editing some stuff myself, its very hard to do so.