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Cincinnatus
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Considering the world situation and peoples' level of understanding at that time, what do you think the message of Jesus' death and resurrection was a believable option? Was another world and another lifetime after this one a reasonable possibility? Or do you think it was simply a matter of faith?

Did it make sense that a person could die and rise for just believing in Jesus? In other words, do you think that salvation was simply a gift (as did the early Christians), or was it something that a person had to work to achieve (as did the Jew)?

If you lived during the time of Jesus and the Apostles, would it make more sense to you that a person died and went to Sheol (a common &quotlace" for those who had died), or that a person went to either heaven (a &quotlace" for those who lived a good, holy life) or hell (a &quotlace" for those who lived a bad, sinful life)?

Jesus (and later the Apostles) taught that those who believe, even though they die, shall have eternal life. What do you think was the early Church's position regarding those who had died before Jesus cam to Earth, or before they had a chance to hear the Christian message?

Finally, with all the persecutions toward the Christians...excommunication from Judaism, the threat of arrest, imprisonment, torture and/or death...why do you think Christianity lasted, and eventually flourished, in Israel, throughout the Mediterranean world, and beyond?

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Parsat
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Good logic would tell you that...

God is undefinable, therefore, non existant.


Depends what level of undefinable you'd like him to be. Unless you'd like to be living in an altogether materialistic world, IMO it doesn't live to a particularly savory view.
Futuro
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Depends what level of undefinable you'd like him to be. Unless you'd like to be living in an altogether materialistic world, IMO it doesn't live to a particularly savory view.


My level of undefinable is that if you can't use your 5 senses to define it, it's not real.
Armed_Blade
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Shepherd

? When I touch a pillow, I think 'Atom'! Because I can so feel it.
5 senses ftw.

Armed_Blade
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Shepherd

Actually, Scratch that. You can see them in microscopes :\\
Anyway, Another example could be Electromagnetic waves (Excluding Infrared and Visible light, and X-Rays,)

I'm rather sure you can't feel, see, hear, taste, or smell them.

But there is something called insight.

MageGrayWolf
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Farmer

Anyway, Another example could be Electromagnetic waves (Excluding Infrared and Visible light, and X-Rays,)


We can use technology that brings them into a range we can see them. We can also observe there effects.
Armed_Blade
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Pfft. The earth was created. Effect.
I know its a flawed argument here, Science wins out in the end. But your using logic, and sad to say we are no where near knowing anything or everything about this world.

Just think, people are only being brought into the era of technology. 100 Years back they'd say your full of BS for using a word like 'electromagnetic'.

In my opinion, Faith is just something you stick with.

MageGrayWolf
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Pfft. The earth was created. Effect.


A close analogy would be how we can look out at the rest of the universe and observe star formation. Piece this together with what we know of gravitational effects and we can get an observed idea of how our own solar system formed.

But your using logic, and sad to say we are no where near knowing anything or everything about this world.


Not claiming to know everything.

Just think, people are only being brought into the era of technology. 100 Years back they'd say your full of BS for using a word like 'electromagnetic'.


Not sure I see where your going with this one.

In my opinion, Faith is just something you stick with.


The very definition of faith is belief without proof, so why would you stick with an unfounded?
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