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You all know that the united states is in hard times. but who do you think is the best world leader there is at keeping their country from having an economic collapse?

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Drace
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*facepalm*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Self-Defense_Forces

2014631
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That is very lacking in information. Sounds more like police than an amry

Drace
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These are definitely police officers.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/61/JGDSF_Soldiers.jpg/800px-JGDSF_Soldiers.jpg

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japan seems to be a good leader. since U.S is so much in debt, japan is most powerful economy now.(i don't know why they don't count debt while calculating wealth). also japanese are not fools to interfere with other country's military matters such as U.S does.


You are ignorant as hell.

1) It takes the top 2-16 nations COMBINED AS ONE to equal the economy of the United States. (If this has changed let it be noted that I haven't actually looked at the statistics in a while. It could just be the top 2-15 or 2-14 by now LMAO.)

2) Japan owes more debt per citizen than America due to their spending practices during their depression in the 90s. They owe an assload of money.

3) Debt is considered. Get accurate data, not just shit off of Wikipedia FFS.

4) America is the country that ensures places like Japan and Germany don't try to fuck up the world again... look at the plethora of our overseas bases.

5) Go read my new thread about the American Federal Deficit. Federal mind you, not National.
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Gah this computer won't let me make a new thread. If anyone feels so inclined have at it.

Bush VS Obama on Spending

Here is a lovely little statistic about how both stack up with spending. Obama will surpass every dime that was spent by the Bush adminsitration in 20 months and 11 days of his presidency. No matter who he increases taxes on our FEDERAL deficit is projected to increase by 1.35 T in 2011 alone. The current federal deficit is aroud 5 T. Go figure.

http://www.synthstuff.com/mt/archives/2009/bush-miss-me-yet.jpg

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Sorry, that should say debt, not defecit. If I didn't say as such now someone would just bring it up later.

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Adolf Hitler, After the Treaty of Versailles, Garmany owed close to 88 million dollars to France after the war. The Weimar republic failed almost as soon as they took power.
Hitler Assmumed power, and gave jobs to everyone in German, incrasing the revenue of Germany. Although he broke the ttreaty, he also increased the recruitment of the Army well over 100,000, giving more jobs to men who didnn't have an education or any specific job skills. By introducing the SS and propoganda, he was also able to keep morale high. By taking over Europe, he had mad Germany the Strongest country in the World. Once he invaded the Soviet Union however, he could have defeated the Red army in a matter of monthes simply by attcking the Caucaus oil Fields. If he had done this, he would have cut off 95% of Soviet Oil Supplies and would ahve won the war and eventually the World. Besides this blunder, he was one of, if not the strongest leader in History.

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he could have defeated the Red army in a matter of monthes simply by attcking the Caucaus oil Fields. If he had done this, he would have cut off 95% of Soviet Oil Supplies and would ahve won the war and eventually the World. Besides this blunder, he was one of, if not the strongest leader in History.


He attempted to, actually and failed.

Look up the Battle of Stalingrad.
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quote]He attempted to, actually and failed.
Look up the Battle of Stalingrad[/quote]


Actually he didn't attempt with full force, he split up the 6th division. Half to stalingrad and half to the oil fields, he just needed to send the whole divsion to the oil fields in order to capture them

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A fail is a fail. Nuff said.

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Presidents can't even affect the economy at all.

The economy effects itself, nothing can influence it without drastic change. It's like God, but not exactly.


Right, so president A blowing off the country into national debt = Taxes, Taxes = People spend less on consumer good = Less economy = Fail.
President passes law to lower wages = Less consumer $ available
Government cannot itself support development in the country, It cannot invest for itself to support its own circle of investments and business. To be honest, I'd go so far as to say that without the Government having a bit of cash in their wallets -- or any say in economic affairs would prove disastrous to the country in a time where they need their government to act!
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3) Debt is considered. Get accurate data, not just **** off of Wikipedia FFS.

Not in GDP... His post is retarded. We have a stronger economy because of higher PPP/GDP
BUT -- in terms of capital/free cash available, the USA stands somewhere in the Negatives, owing money here and there, in particular, China. China has a surplus of cash.
Our economy is still is 14 Trillion GDP, Asia's is 18 Trillion.
We pwn quite a lot.

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Japan owes more debt per citizen than America due to their spending practices during their depression in the 90s. They owe an assload of money.

Eh, We finished paying the war of 1812 a while back. Whats your point? Its normal for a country to leave a war's funding on the back of its nation for the next 100 years. Making strong and fast debt killing booms isn't good for the economy of some nations [though others argue]

4) America is the country that ensures places like Japan and Germany don't try to **** up the world again... look at the plethora of our overseas bases.


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quote]He attempted to, actually and failed.
Look up the Battle of Stalingrad

Actually he didn't attempt with full force, he split up the 6th division. Half to stalingrad and half to the oil fields, he just needed to send the whole divsion to the oil fields in order to capture them


The blunder was that the timing of the operation did not go on the April of the previous year, and due to that he felt he was the **** and sent his men out with there Estimated Arival Time being the Russian Winter -- and just like Napoleon, he died not to the Russian Army, but to General Winter.

I feel that plus what you said could make sense, but imo his blunders were just his ideology of German supremacy being able to do ANYTHING, his ego, and his thought that the RAF [Britain's Royal Air Force] was weak when it had, actually, went through quite a transformation after WWI.

Still.
I'm not too sure anybody beats Hitler on this front. I guess as a whole he wasn't the best, but Idk anyone that comes close.
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Best leader? My mind goes toward Hitler but I don't think he is the best. I like Lester B Pearson (Canadian Prime Minister in the 50's) he really helped Canada Post WW2

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