Is it any coincidence that only 1 President and 0 Vice Presidents have been anything other than Christian? And the single President not a Christian was a Jehovah's Witness. Society doesn't seem so secular anymore, now does it?
What do you personally think about this?
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ok you wierd clown people, America was founded on Christianity and forms of it, so back then when everyone was christian it wasn't an issue. And no they didn't fail, if you don't want to pledge to god then don't no one makes you follow anything and if the only issues you care about are god being on money than you need to realize that there are more important things in life, this end part isn't towards anyone person. If he is highly religious then there might be a prob. but christian where is the prob.? christian rules are good and aren't like selective Muslim religion branches that say to kill, besides the crusades Christians have been good and in no way i see this being a prob. for the country.
If he is highly religious then there might be a prob.
He IS highly religious, so it is a problem. Bush went to war because he believes, by his religion, that it was the right thing to do. America was NOT founded on christianity, the people who founded it were christian. If you think america was founded on christianity then the whole human race was founded on paganisim, or some religion that came before.
Seperation of chruch and state is clearly a very real issue, and it IS importent, since it is right now deciding the very lives of our people. Wake up!
AnaLoGMunKy: America was not founded on Christian ideals, but it certainly was founded in a culture steeped with it, whether you like it or not. Certainly it has affected all of American history, heck, a good two millenia of Western civilization for that matter. So yes, there is perhaps a bigger issue than you make it out to be, because Christianity is still a major influence around here.
Just for the record, I believe in the separation of church and state, but only because I believe they can only be combined in a theocracy. If you try to have half-integrated spheres of church and state, you end up with both a corrupt church and a manipulative state, as the Catholic Church evidenced for much of its reign.
christian rules are good and aren't like selective Muslim religion branches that say to kill
As I pointed out in another thread.
Hosea 13:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. Ezekiel 9:6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house. Ezekiel 23:25 And I will set my jealousy against thee, and they shall deal furiously with thee: they shall take away thy nose and thine ears; and thy remnant shall fall by the sword: they shall take thy sons and thy daughters; and thy residue shall be devoured by the fire. Joshua 6:21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ***, with the edge of the sword. Joshua 8:21 And when Joshua and all Israel saw that the ambush had taken the city, and that the smoke of the city ascended, then they turned again, and slew the men of Ai. Joshua 10:28 And that day Joshua took Makkedah, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof he utterly destroyed, them, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain: and he did to the king of Makkedah as he did unto the king of Jericho. Judges 1:4 And Judah went up; and the LORD delivered the Canaanites and the Perizzites into their hand: and they slew of them in Bezek ten thousand men. Exodus 21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. (well no need to bold this) Exodus 22:20 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed. (Not to mention for sacrificing to another god) Exodus 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 32:27-28 And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor. And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men. Leviticus 20:10-13 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them. If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:15-16 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast. And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them. etc. etc. etc.
But out of all that what's the moral we get out of the Bible about killing? "Thou shalt not kill"
Hey guys i said selective because all Muslims don't believe in killing non believers just a select group, and foremost America was founded on Christianity and i can prove it. OK lets go to court and be a witness, you swear on the bible, OK lets look at money, in god we trust, wow that is weird how many other religions are on money, answer - 0. America was founded on Christianity, and modern Christians don't seem to be doing killings anymore. but i do believe that church and government should be separate, don't get me confused that i want christian empire, i just don't see a problem with christian presidents, if they where a problem, why would people vote for them, many Christians including me wont look at it as "oh he's christian, I'm going to vote for him" it is about morals and plans for America, not soulfully on religion, Christians i think come off good in the public's eyes and that is an observation not an opinion, i have proof to, look at all the christian presidents, if they looked mean and ready to kill then no one would vote for them, finally most presidents weren't full time Christians, just the one's that maybe went to church once a year, so in my opinion maybe half of them where true Christians, just guessing on that.
I don't care if you have to show me a picture, America was not founded on Christianity or it's principles.
really than explain currency and our pledge two proofs that America was founded on Christianity, we don't put random things on our money for fun, IN GOD WE TRUST, hmm wonder where that came from? ok now we aren't and church and state are separate and should be, but we where founded on Christianity unless you can disprove those examples and the many others that exists in out gov. today?
