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FireflyIV
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I have no objection to theism, but the provision of opinion as fact in an area designed specfically for rational argument backed up by empirical evidence is no place for baseless assertions.

Saying that ''god exists'' without proving god exists is trolling. Of course the obvious counter argument is that people who say that ''god doesn't exist'' are also trolls. Not so. The fact that god cannot be proven/disproven has been hammered on again and again in so many threads it's absurd. To blithely state ''god did it because god'' is so far beyond the realm of logic the only reasoining left is trolling. Unless we're willing to admit religious folk are irrational? Because irrationality would also explain such comments. Therefore the theist who has made the choice to post his ''god did it because god'' statement must choose. They are either irrational or a troll. The way I see it, calling them a troll is giving them the benefit of the doubt. Because the alternative is that they really are irrational.

This may be perceived to be too harsh or unproductive, as it would label so many users as trolls. However all they need to do to escape this title is to prove their statements are true. These forums are so full of statements of ''fact'' it is absurd.

I think that if there was a change in user consciousness to the point where baseless assertions were considered either trolling or irrational, the WEPR forums would be far more conducive to good quality threads.

Discuss.

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playaholic
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well,i think we should say
god did it,because he needed this to happen...

though its pointless saying that in the first place

PanzerTank
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people who say that ''god doesn't exist'' are also trolls. Not so.

Incorrect, you've already proven he doesn't exist if you noone has ever really see him and talked to him IN REAL LIFE not in dreams or visions
Cenere
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Oh, why do these threads keep popping up...
Also A wizard did it.

Incorrect, you've already proven he doesn't exist if you noone has ever really see him and talked to him IN REAL LIFE not in dreams or visions

Logic positivism in only one scientific position, thank you very much.


All I have to say is this: Religion is for those who can't think for themselves. Hence they become irrational. That is all.

I could say the same about humanity as a whole. We do rarely think for ourselves, those who do will be kicked out of society because they often find that things should be different.
When people are blindly accepting things that they are told, because that is how it is, does that make them irrational? Is it irrational to do what a police officer tells you? Well, you don't think, you do what you are told, then it must be, right?

I would say irrational. Religion doesn't stimulate critical thinking skills. Removing such a skill from a major part of there lives can leave a person with irrational thoughts. Not only that but more often then not it's drilled into them since birth that to question this aspect of there lives is a bad thing. So even if someone were to make an attempt to think rationally they have it in the back of there mind that those thoughts are wrong and bad to have.

What if I am critical of my religion, while I still believe, but obviously find some of it to be both amoral and wrong?
And what if I am a person who constantly yell out that God does not exist, that there is no proof and people who says so should be shot/locked up/have their brain dipped in bleach?

I agree. There are religious people that are more or less slaves of their holy book, that act through it and find it to be the only way of thinking and acting. There are people who use their entire life on some little idea and that will colour their world and their words. Yet, saying that religion or religious people are all like that is to say that all homosexuals love anal sex, that all woman asks to be raped and that all atheists try to kill religious persons.
It is a generalization that should not happen in our civilized world, but sadly our primitive mind, no matter how much we are discussing science or religion, no matter how advanced we as humans are, makes us do. Because if we didn't, we would not have survived as a species.

Now, for the trolling thing, because people seem to believe that saying "God did it" actually is trolling:

Being a prick on the internet because you can. Typically unleashing one or more cynical or sarcastic remarks on an innocent by-stander, because it's the internet and, hey, you can.
A more common response would be to make remarks with the only purpose to get a negative reaction, often flaming (the one that flames, loses). Done properly the troll would never actually break the rules, but would get a lot of other users banned for behaving against the rules.
If you really want to respond negatively towards someone with another opinion than you, however primitive and stupid that opinion might be, I think you might wanna take a break from the internet, because you need to build a tolerance against stupid.

On a last note: I rarely see users here actually have a proper scientific discussion. Sure, science or lack thereof is being discussed, but never openmindedly, objectively or without a stereotypical doubt.
Thanks to our genes, I bet.
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Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind. - Albert Einstein


How do you forget Copernicus, Bacon, Kepler, Galileo, Descartes, Newton, Boyle, Faraday, Mendel, Kelvin, and Planck? Any of those names ring a bell? Science and Religion can exist in harmony and have for a very long time. It is when people take either side to the extreme when conflict erupts.
MageGrayWolf
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Science and Religion can exist in harmony and have for a very long time. It is when people take either side to the extreme when conflict erupts.


You mean when we start asking questions for things religion claims already have the answer to and end up with a different explication.
whyismynametom
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Bing Bang theory, everything exploded from a ball of mass, where did that ball come from, precious science won't explain that for me so believing that the big bang happened is a religion in its self, magic? Did a ball of mass magically appear then explode, how was that ball created? No one knows and all we can say are our BELIEVES BECAUSE NO ONE KNOWS, so to me the big bang theory is just as credible as Christianity, neither is proven by science but science BELIEVES in one of them, theory - meaning not proven completely, or a guess basically, so precious science doesn't do a better job than Christians do at explaining this creation of everything. i don't believe in the bible 100% just until science can't explain stuff like how the universe was created, then my faith comes in and it is faith in a magical explosion of mass or a GOD that did it, you choose there is no proof either way.

grimml
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so to me the big bang theory is just as credible as Christianity, neither is proven by science but science BELIEVES in one of them, theory - meaning not proven completely, or a guess basically, so precious science doesn't do a better job than Christians do at explaining this creation of everything


There ARE proofs for the big bang theory!
grimml
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BTW why was the thread "explaining religion in pictures" (or something like that) deleted? What about the freedom of speech?

whyismynametom
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There ARE proofs for the big bang theory!

no there are not, if that was true than why is it a Theory.
here is the definition------------------------
An unproven conjecture; An expectation of what should happen, barring unforeseen circumstances; (sciences) A coherent statement or set of statements that attempts to explain observed phenomena; (sciences) A logical structure that enables one to deduce the possible results of every experiment ...
whyismynametom
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BTW why was the thread "explaining religion in pictures" (or something like that) deleted? What about the freedom of speech?

that is for public areas, this is not a public place for it is a place to talk on the internet, no law says freedom of speech everywhere you talk, for example you cannot talk freely in school. And you agreed by signing up that the owners our moderators could close, censor, or lock anything and their whim.
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Logic positivism in only one scientific position, thank you very much.

Your welcome and I might've said something arguementitive back but I have no idea what positivism means, I looked on the online definition but I don't know what the words mean inside the definition lol!
grimml
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no there are not, if that was true than why is it a Theory.


Dude, EVERYTHING in physics is a theory. But if you can't disprove the theory, it's normally accepted as the truth.
MageGrayWolf
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Bing Bang theory, everything exploded from a ball of mass,


The Big Bang wasn't actually an explosion, so no that's not what the theory states.

where did that ball come from, precious science won't explain that for me so believing that the big bang happened is a religion in its self, magic? Did a ball of mass magically appear then explode, how was that ball created? No one knows and all we can say are our BELIEVES BECAUSE NO ONE KNOWS


The answer that it was magic would be more in the realm of religion. But for now we don't know. Saying we don't know is an honest answer. But what religion does is insert "God did it" and claim to have the answer to those "We don't knows". This is just dishonest.
Also keep in mind saying "God did it" when we don't know the answer to something is just a god of the gaps argument. We use to have many such gaps in our knowledge but as they were filled God had less places to fit. A perfect example of this is thunder storms. It was once believed they were directly caused by God but now we know otherwise.

so to me the big bang theory is just as credible as Christianity, neither is proven by science but science BELIEVES in one of them, theory


There is evidence to back up the theory, if there wasn't it wouldn't be a theory. Belief alone is nothing.
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no there are not, if that was true than why is it a Theory.
here is the definition------------------------


Scientific Theory:
A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. A theory is valid as long as there is no evidence to dispute it. Therefore, theories can be disproven. Basically, if evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, then the hypothesis can become accepted as a good explanation of a phenomenon. One definition of a theory is to say it's an accepted hypothesis.
whyismynametom
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Dude, EVERYTHING in physics is a theory. But if you can't disprove the theory, it's normally accepted as the truth.

haha thanks for saying that, therefore i declare GOD a theory and you can't disprove it, and millions of people already accept it so by thinking the way you do God is a theory and can't be disproved, haha make your mind up man, what point are you trying to make?
grimml
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what point are you trying to make?


BUT there is also no proof! To make a theory, you need to have proofs. Otherwise the theory is invalid.
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