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wajor59
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I've come to the recent conclusion that some gamers don't know how to hold a conversation. I come from the school of thought that says people will type the same way they speak. I also realize that preteens and teens like to text, often.
When texting on their mobile devices the more compressed they can type paragraphs, the better. It's also cheaper, depending on the mobile plan covering the phone.
I'm all for innovation, free speech and saving both time and money. This idea of rating the games by using a multiple choice system came to me while I was playing some of our newest games.

While posting a comment rating one of these games, I came across one of the many ad-bots that have been recently plaguing Armor Games. When I started digging a little deeper I found more but that isn't all I found.
The spam explosion is rampant in the games comments, too. It was so bad I asked a moderator what I should do. The reply was swift, "flag everything and gather evidence on the big stuff, the regular spam will be spotted by the mod squad patrolling the games." I've read the rules and bylaws and I knew that evidence should be gathered on the "expletives", "flames" and other hurtful spam.

I expected spam from the gamers' "only" group who only have a profile with AG so they can play and rate games. That's fine as long as they obey the rules. What was alarming though was that our own "family" of regulars were also spamming! What is sad is that I was seeing, on average, every-other post as spam.

Folks, we need a refresher course on how to properly rate a game. In the meantime, since AG is coming out with version 3 that a lot of us are eagerly anticipating, I thought this would be a good time to suggest this idea.

Here's what I've come up with:
Just like we have, here in the forums, above this box of text, buttons that give texting gamers the op-out method of rating a game quickly while still allowing for a way to express themselves.

* button #1 Great game, I wouldn't change a thing.
* button #2 Good game, needs some work, see comment...
* button #3 Fair game, needs work in a couple of areas, see comment...
* button #4 Sub par game, not up to Ag's standards.
* button #5 I wouldn't recommend this game to anyone.
* button #6 Reset, I made a mistake, see comment...

Or something similar.

What say you, Armor Games family?

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kacboy
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Too much like Newgrounds. AG has the best rating system I think, except the part that you can't re-rate games. And if you has buttons to rate and comment, no one would be able to get a merit for reviewing a game. I think it would be best to stick with what we got.

But then you put something above your choices about forum posts that I don't quite understand.

thepossum
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I like the rating system we have now. On a basis of 1-10. It can't fail. If you think the game needs work, write a comment that isn't spam. Of message the maker of the game personally.

And if we're a family, which relative would I be?(off-topic)

wajor59
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To: Kacboy I've never visited NG so I had no idea they had a multiple choice/push a button type of game rating system. I didn't mean to confuse anyone but my OP refers to a method of avoiding spam. Since it's obvious that if you spam will lose AP, not to mention if you spam long enough or badly enough you could be banned; this knowledge hasn't deceased the amount of it in the game comments. If I made references to forum posting it was to illustrate spammers that ought to know better because the rules are right in front of them.
Since folks show so much disrespect as to blatantly spam,(I speak of repeat offenders) then I don't think they should be allowed to voice their opinion on the game comments anymore because the game developers see and actually use this data to help them tweak their creations and gain a fan base. What I've been seeing in the game comments are neither helpful to the game developers or enlightening to the game players.

I hope this helps to voice my idea a little clearer. Please, forgive me if I sound curt or harsh, I'm just a little miffed is all with the amount of spam and the spam I've read.

Besides, this is an idea, a suggestion and why can't AP be attached to the buttons? Yes, you should receive more AP for an original comment but your spelling, punctuality and thoroughness should be "graded" first so people don't continue to steal it.

wajor59
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correction: decreased, not deceased as was typed in the middle of line 4, underneath "not to mention..."

I'm sorry Kacboy, I didn't fully answer your question. the black outlined box that I'm using right now to write this comment is what I'm referring to in the OP. These buttons only appear on the forums section of the site. You may call it the "Reply Box" or "Submit a Forum Comment Box" but this is what I'm talking about when I'm suggesting using the similar "buttons" that are above this reply to_________________(typed topic is green)

Bold Italic Link Image Quote




Submit


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OK?

Graham
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What was alarming though was that our own "family" of regulars were also spamming! What is sad is that I was seeing, on average, every-other post as spam.


Spam is usually considered as less than 7 words. (just in-case you might be misinterpreting it)

Since folks show so much disrespect as to blatantly spam,(I speak of repeat offenders) then I don't think they should be allowed to voice their opinion on the game comments anymore because the game developers see and actually use this data to help them tweak their creations and gain a fan base


That's what happens when you ban them, they can't comment without an account.

Yes, you should receive more AP for an original comment but your spelling, punctuality and thoroughness should be "graded" first so people don't continue to steal it.


Who would you expect to look through the thousands of comments every day? -thoroughness

why can't AP be attached to the buttons?


It is.

http://armorgames.com/images/btn-submit.pnghttp://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj146/grahaam/gamestats.pnghttp://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj146/grahaam/submitgame.png

this knowledge hasn't deceased the amount of it in the game comments.


Make comments 0AP, should help something.

The overall rating of the game would be 1-5 copying many many many many many other gaming sites. A rating of 1-10 is much more intricate.

Merits would be unavailable unless you won an AMW contest.

People can still click a button that says see comment... and just type 'It's bad.'
Graham
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Merits would be unavailable unless you won an AMW contest.


Das wriuong. Didn't change after reading through a second time.

People who rate button one can't comment?
knight_34
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Do not be shocked by the spam. It is a regular occurrence. Yes, the regulars do that and it is well known that many of the top 100 have secret spam stashes.

Since folks show so much disrespect as to blatantly spam,(I speak of repeat offenders) then I don't think they should be allowed to voice their opinion on the game comments anymore because the game developers see and actually use this data to help them tweak their creations and gain a fan base

That's what happens when you ban them, they can't comment without an account.


Agreed, that has been negated.

1-5 in game ratings would be too broad. I prefer twenty intervals from 0.5 to 10. It makes things more interesting.

I still advocate separating reviews and comments.

Ah, there'll be a solution in AG 3.0.
wajor59
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Obviously, I still haven't conveyed my suggestion properly as both Graham and now Knight34 also don't understand what I'm talking about.

Armor Games would still keep the 0.5-10,(see Graham's illustration) rating scale.
What I'm talking about is helping folks by using a multiple choice push-button option of a pre-printed comment system. I used "Game Rating" in the title of the topic because this new system would accompany the rating system already in place.
That's why I went into more depth with my third post. What I mean is helping reduce the amount of spam by allowing those gamers to rate the game plus the option of pushing a button and moving on to the next game. They would still rate the game the same way as before. They would get a slightly reduced amount of AP by simply pushing a button but yes, Graham everyone would be able to also leave a comment.

Cenere
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Okay, I don't know what you are trying to do, because my attentionspan is quite small today, and the constant bold really disrupts it.
So:
1. People will always spam.
2. Whether it is a sliding scale or a button scale, the result will be the same. People will spam either way. Like the people going "7/10" just to post something.
3.

that ought to know better because the rules are right in front of them.

Problem is, the rules is NOT right in front of them. All the rules are located in the forums, and most of the people spamming have never visited the forums, or have only done so briefly. Definitely not read the stickies with the rules.

It is the horror of Web 2.0. People believe they should state their opinion no matter how small and purposeless it is.
Gantic
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The rules are actually right there under Rules & Guidelines linked to right above the comment box:

"We ask that you put some thought into your posts, and that you follow the commenting guidelines. Failure to comply with these rules may result in a ban from commenting or the entire site, as well as removal of posts and points!"
"- Do not post for the sake of points... your posts will be removed if we see you posting multiple 5-7 word posts just for points."

The more in-depth explanation one can extrapolate from those two aren't.

Cenere
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They will have to click it. It is still not right in front of them.
But yes, I will take back number 3.

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