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firetail_madness
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What exactly is the meaning of this word called "Perfect"? Everyone has their thoughts of what perfect is to them, but what is it generally? Is it possible to achieve perfection? Is &quoterfect" even perfect?

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thepossum
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I still believe if you get full marks on a test, it is still possible to have done better.


Are you talking about getting full marks but finishing earlier or something like that?
Graham
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People are forgetting about the other qualified kind of perfect: the perfect as defined by measurable outcomes i.e. a perfect score in a test. That kind of perfect is attainable.


There is not one because there's always the chance for more than 100% (extra credit).
plokkey
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Because using "as much as possible" all the time is stupid.

Practice as much as possible!
Practice to perfection!

And if impossible words were never used, you'd have a very boring life. VERY BORING. VERY. VERY.

plokkey
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I left out something. :l

Strop's example for scoring a perfect on a test wasn't very great

How about a perfect circle? perfect square? Those are possible.
A perfect flower (has both male and female parts)?

firetail_madness
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Are you talking about getting full marks but finishing earlier or something like that?

There is not one because there's always the chance for more than 100% (extra credit).


Something kind of like that.

How about a perfect circle? perfect square?


How are they perfect?
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How about a perfect circle? perfect square?


How are they perfect?


Well a circle could be a circle without any irregularities or it could be very deformed. Depends who made the circle.

Perfect in my sense is not obtainable. Some people I know try to be perfect. And they are annoying doing that. What I do about perfect is just don't use the word.
plokkey
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How are they perfect?


Because they are equal (equal distance blablablabla). Equal is perfect. Perfectly equal. You can't have imperfect equal, that makes no sense! Almost like what I just posted!
plokkey
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Well a circle could be a circle without any irregularities or it could be very deformed.


No it isn't. That's not the geometric definition of a circle.
It's:
A line or process with every point equidistant from the center.


A.k.a perfect circle.

Depends who made the circle.


Circles can also just be some ring-like thing, but there are perfect circles, defined above.
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How about a perfect circle?


But... is it? Afterall, Pi is an irrational number. This means it cannot be expressed as a fraction. In reality, things must have a measurably length; they must be rational numbers.

This is assuming that there isn't an infinitly small distance. In other words, at some point things can no longer be broken down (this is what some people believe the planck length to be).

If we measure things in terms of this length, they must be whole numbers. Which means that both the circumfrence and the diameter of a real circle can be expressed as whole rational numbers, and therefore written as a ratio. Because Pi is irrational, either the diameter or the cicumfrence of a perfect circle must be irrational.

Therefore, there is no such thing as a perfect circle. Every circle that you have ever seen is actually some misshapen blob.
plokkey
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But... is it? Afterall, Pi is an irrational number. This means it cannot be expressed as a fraction. In reality, things must have a measurably length; they must be rational numbers.


The ratio of the circumference to the diameter doesn't have anything to do with it. (???lol)

If we measure things in terms of this length, they must be whole numbers.


Whole numbers are created by man. Man is not perfect. Numbers are used to count stuff. Uhmm I forgot where I was going with this, sorry D:

Well anyway...
Pi does not define a perfect cirle. All points equidistant to a central point defines a circle. If the distance is irrational, it's still a perfect circle. Sorry if I dodged your post, but yea...Pi has nothing to do with it.
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Pi does not define a perfect cirle. All points equidistant to a central point defines a circle. If the distance is irrational, it's still a perfect circle. Sorry if I dodged your post, but yea...Pi has nothing to do with it.


A perfect circle is an idea. There are only 'erfect' things in ideas.
aknerd
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All points equidistant to a central point defines a circle.


All points are equidistant when the circufrence over the diameter = pi.

As I have just shown, it is impossible for a continuos line of points to be arranged in such a way that that they are all equidistant from a common point AND the combined length of all the points are equal to pi times twice the distance from any point on the circle to the center.

And pi does define the length of a circumfrence of a circle.
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Perfect: having all the required or desirable elements, qualities, or characteristics; as good as it is possible to be

Healmeal
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You can't simply describe perfection, for it can always be better.

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The idea that nothing is perfect is only a philosophy that deals with the fact that not everything in life will go according to exactly how you want it. Perfection is tagged by each individual's criteria of what perfection is for the specific item involved.

For example, you may say that that Bob scored achieved a perfect score in a game, if Bob attained the highest possible score on that game without cheating. You cant say that since nothing is perfect, there must be a higher score that Bob could have achieved without cheating. Thats a load of ********.

Perfect could mean that everything was done right, with no mistakes. A perfect test score is achievable. I've seen it plenty of times. And passing off new theories and concepts in the name of science requires perfect proofs, that is proofs wich cast out any doubts that the corresponding formula is correct. I don't know who exactly looks at these proofs, but their definition of perfect would probably involve using only fundamental rules to build up on the proof rather than relying on other theories.

The idea of a perfect circle is indeed perfect(duh). Although drawing a perfect circle by hand is deemed impossible, and a circle drawn by computer, while seemingly perfect, is minutely limited in accuracy by its limitation of pixels.

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