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obould
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A time paradox happens when the fouth dimension, time, overlaps itself. When this happens, it can occur in a single area, simultaneously or to certain people. These are several different types of time paradoxes that have come across:

Deja Vou - The most common one that almost everyone, if not everyone, has encountered. This is when you see something multiple times in a row occur exactly the same as it did before, and within a very close time-span.

Altered Deja Vou - Also fairly common, and almost the same. It happens very closely together, and everything plays out like normal Deja Vou. But if the environment near the occurance, it can change the path of whatever was supposed to happen. This is fairly hard to recognize.

Future-sight - Many people have dreams. Certain dreams play out in reality EXACTLY as they did in the dream. Some may find this coincidence, but through research (through a few friends) I have found that it happens simultaneously. The last one that I found that effected many, many people in my area was around '04-'05, I cant remember which exactly.

Revenant pasts - If you have ever heard an erie sound, and seen a shadow or movement when nothing was there, you glimpsed the past. This happens when two timelines, (now and the past) overlap each other for some time. You have viewed a part of the past that you had never experienced, but happened where you were at the time. I, myself, have not experienced this.

'Ghosts' - Spirits do exist. My friend is occasionaly visited by one that she calls 'Mr. Hat' because she doesnt know his real name. He has given her some flashbacks from HIS past and her friend. I have seen Mr. Hat once before, and that is not a joke.

If anyone has experienced any of these, or would like to comment on my idea of a time paradox, or would just like to learn a bit more of the details of them, you can post here. Please remember that this is theory, not fact.

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MRWalker82
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I tend to disbelieve any of it. I am not saying that people have not had 'experiences' however I have yet to find anything that lends credibility to the idea that any shift in the fabric of time occurs independently, or doing so with the result of an experience felt by one individual.

The entire concept behind the fabric of time would suggest that if such things were to occur that the effects would be wide spread, not isolated to select individuals.

I feel that the more likely explanation of these 'experiences' is an over reaction of specific areas in the brain, causing a temporary and altered state of perception, or an imbalance causing subconscious images and thoughts to spontaneously appear in the consciousness of the individual, resulting in the perception of an 'experience'.

Both the power of the human mind to create such perceptions, and cases where it has done so under suggestion, are well known and documented, especially pertaining to studies of witchcraft, voodoo, and other shamanistic type practices which rely on the powers of suggestion and the ability of the mind to fabricate events to support outrageous ideas.

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Future-sight - Many people have dreams. Certain dreams play out in reality EXACTLY as they did in the dream. Some may find this coincidence, but through research (through a few friends) I have found that it happens simultaneously. The last one that I found that effected many, many people in my area was around '04-'05, I cant remember which exactly.


Well, as unbelievable as this is, a while ago I did see a few small details in my dream.

It was the dream of sometime in 2007. I was in a hallway, with Orbs in Lion Statues. I looked at them. I saw my face. An evil version of it. I screamed.

A couple of weeks later we took the class photo. My face was exactly the same as the one in the orb. This was not intentional.
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Deja Vu is when your brain processes a sight and makes a memory of it before you see the sight. So you thing you saw it twice since you have a memory of the sight or sound.

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My favorite time paradox wasn't mentioned... It's called a casual loop, and is basically where a person experiences something that causes them to travel back in time, only to cause the event that made them travel back in time in the first place.

Examples I ripped from the wiki article:
A man travels back in time to discover the cause of a famous fire. While in the building where the fire started, he accidentally knocks over a kerosene lantern and causes a fire, the same fire that would inspire him, years later, to travel back in time.

A man is hunting when someone shoots him. Surviving, he resolves to go back in time to stop the sniper. Appearing at the place of the incident, he sees someone approaching, and shoots the man, believing the man is the sniper. Later, he realizes that the man he shot was a past version of himself, and so he was both the sniper and the victim.

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It's called a casual loop, and is basically where a person experiences something that causes them to travel back in time, only to cause the event that made them travel back in time in the first place.
Like in harry potter, when Harry got hit by a rock it was herminie that threw one at him when they went back in time?
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I always thought they were basically dumb.

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if one where to "travel in time back" and alter something that changed something in time then since its changed he culdnt have altered tsomethin. because he couldnt alter somethin watever its confusing to write easy to say. if you change somethin by going back in time then you cnat go back in time because you changed something... causing you to never go back in time... tada paradox loop. you cant do it because you did it. because u cant

obould
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Interesting... I never thought of the travel portion of it. I always wondered if I had something to do with today before I existed, and if I would have changed something there...

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if one where to "travel in time back" and alter something that changed something in time then since its changed he culdnt have altered tsomethin. because he couldnt alter somethin watever its confusing to write easy to say. if you change somethin by going back in time then you cnat go back in time because you changed something... causing you to never go back in time... tada paradox loop. you cant do it because you did it. because u cant


he's right that is what a paradox is. i'll try to simplify it a bit.

A paradox is when you you go back in time and do something to keep yourself from going back in time. e.g. shooting yourself or killing your mother/father etc.

an example: a man is putting a gun together in order to go back in time to shoot himself. He has a time machine next to him. he puts the gun together and looks through the time machine and sees himself taking out the parts to the gun. he steps into the time machine and shoots his past self that is putting the gun together, but he shot himself before he went back in time so he couldn't have shot himself because he died before he stepped through the time machine. tada-paradox. fortunately time travel to the past is impossible, however traveling to the future is theoretically possible. there are two ways to do this:

1. get close enough to an object with an enormous amount of mass. this works because mass slows down time. if you were next to something with enough mass time around that object for enough time, when you left you'd find that time in another place had passed much quicker. its like trying to walk in water you go much slower. you'd have to get next to something with a huge amount of mass though. the only thing that would make a huge difference would be a black hole...so goodluck

2. the second way is by moving very very very fast. we're talking close to the speed of light. this is how it works. quantum mechanics prevents any object from moving AT or faster than the speed of light, so if you were on something, say a rocket, going 1mph under the speed of light and you run, in the direction the rocket is going, in excess of .99(repeating) mph then you would be going at or faster than the speed of light. since quantum mechanics prevents this time slows you down so that you wont be able to go at or over the speed of light. simple concept at the base of it.
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Kalb789 is also right. If, theoretically, we could get a space shuttle to orbit a black hole or something with an extremely large mass and it cut time in half while the shuttle was orbiting it. After ten years of orbiting it the crew would have only experienced five years of life while, everyone here, would have experienced ten.

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If, theoretically, we could get a space shuttle to orbit a black hole or something with an extremely large mass and it cut time in half while the shuttle was orbiting it. After ten years of orbiting it the crew would have only experienced five years of life while, everyone here, would have experienced ten.


my thoughts exactly, but the space shuttle would be going so fast that the g forces would more than likely kill the crew and destroy everything on board
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this works because mass slows down time.
the second way is by moving very very very fast. we're talking close to the speed of light.


Might want to retake physics...

If, theoretically, we could get a space shuttle to orbit a black hole or something with an extremely large mass and it cut time in half while the shuttle was orbiting it. After ten years of orbiting it the crew would have only experienced five years of life while, everyone here, would have experienced ten.


Yeah, you might want to retake physics as well...
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Sorry for the double post, but I feel I must elaborate. We may want to bear in mind that time is relative as well.

Although Time Dilation has been seen, the applications for "time travel" are absurd. Although it has been noted that clocks have noted different amounts of time passing, there have been no conclusive studies done to show that there would be any effect on human aging, and as it is a byproduct of a gravitational force it would stand to reason that there would be no effect on human aging at all, thus negating the argument that we could traverse great areas in a short span of time.

As we know, aging is caused by cell replication, as each replication of cells causes slight deterioration in the chromosome, causing the noticeable effects of aging, and eventually death. Chromosomes and cells operate with electromagnetic force, that's what keeps them together, not gravity, and as we know gravity is a miniscule force in relation to electromagnetic forces, so much so that we don't even take gravity into account when testing these theories. Therefore it should stand to reason that our 'cellular clocks' would in fact suffer little if any effects of time dilation, either due to gravitational or motion causes of time dilation.

obould
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Well put.

Kalb789
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correct me if i'm wrong but an atomic clock , i don't think, would be affected by differences in gravity.

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