A question I notice doesn't get enough attention (perhaps for a lack of answer); how did we get here? I know the religious reason, God and Eden and all that jazz. But for the non believers, any explanation? Should make for some interesting debate.
Who brought God into this? Are you saying that matter has always existed?
The post was referring to jeol's in regards to the big band and other theories of "the beginning" I don't have a firm stance simply because I don't know as much as I would like to about it.
The post was referring to jeol's in regards to the big band and other theories of "the beginning" I don't have a firm stance simply because I don't know as much as I would like to about it.
Fair enough. As I said before, anyone who has a theory about the universe's beginning will have difficulty explaining where it came from to begin with.
In many cultures it is customary to answer that God created the universe out of nothing. But this is mere temporizing. If we wish courageously to pursue the question, we must, of course ask next where God comes from? And if we decide this to be unanswerable, why not save a step and conclude that the universe has always existed?
Is it reasonable to say that objects that have a beginning, or objects that come into existence, or objects that begin to move, etc. need to have a cause?
Is it reasonable to say that objects that have a beginning, or objects that come into existence, or objects that begin to move, etc. need to have a cause?
Inertia is a quick answer to the second aspect of the question.
Something coming into being that was not before is a nearly impossible concept to wrap one's mind around but then again so is the concept of an object being eternal.
Then how do things like exploding planets work? do they instead just fall apart? There is still movement in space... Which ultimately must have had a mover/pusher/shover.
Internal forces...
Oh! then we must escape earth to escape the stupid laws of nature we have, like gravity and mass and weight... But no matter? I thought it was matter that caused the whole 'bang'. But if it isn't an explosion, then it can't be a 'bang'. AAh, science is too complicated. I'll stick to my Bible.
Gravity is enough to hold stuff that is close together. Think of it like two magnets being brought together. If matter is far enough apart then the gravitational forces gets overcome by the expansion of the universe.
Think of it a bit like two really powerful magnets, far enough way you can pull them further away, but if they are close together you can't pull them apart.
On to the name of the Big Bang this term Big Bang originated from idiots such as yourself trying to berate the theory. The term eventually stuck as the theories official name. So the inaccuracy of the theories name can be credited to ignorance of what the theory states.
I think this is an important question that needs an answer. Where did the singularity come from?
As stated we don't know for sure. It could have always been there being it was in a quantum state time holds no real meaning, particularly time didn't exist. Another theory states that it could have budded from another universe. Yet another has the universe in an endless cycle of expansion and collapse. (though I have my doubts on this one)
If you want to say God created the singularity you must first demonstrate such a being exists. Otherwise you might as well be saying "I don't know so God did it." which is pure ignorance at best.
Something coming into being that was not before is a nearly impossible concept to wrap one's mind around but then again so is the concept of an object being eternal.
You speak truth haha. Everything in this universe we know to be caused. Well, I suppose we can't know for sure, but it's beyond a reasonable doubt.
But God, as I understand Him, doesn't exist in the universe as we know it. He isn't bound by Space and Time. If it's true that He never had a beginning, then he can't need a cause. Does that make sense?
As stated we don't know for sure. It could have always been there being it was in a quantum state time holds no real meaning, particularly time didn't exist. Another theory states that it could have budded from another universe. Yet another has the universe in an endless cycle of expansion and collapse. (though I have my doubts on this one)
It's easy enough to say that it existed in a quantum state without time until the time came when it expanded, but can that be proven reasonably? What makes you think that such a thing actually happened?
Saying that it budded from another universe only pushes the question back farther.
If you want to say God created the singularity you must first demonstrate such a being exists. Otherwise you might as well be saying "I don't know so God did it." which is pure ignorance at best.
I haven't started from the point that God existed, and then said that He created the universe. I've said that we have an unanswered question of where the universe came from, and I can offer God as an explanation, with reasons to back it up.
I wouldn't say, then, that I'm working from ignorance.
If you want to say God created the singularity you must first demonstrate such a being exists.
Why not just say that this "singularity" IS God? If you agree that there was a singularity, then Catholics could simply infer that it is God. After all, that statement would be scientifically correct.
Well humans want an answer to everything...and back then (around 2000 years ago) people where pretty corrupted and stupid so they chose 1 easy answer "god". When it rains "thank god"....and so on. Anyways why should we stay on creationism? It's 2000 years old!!! Humans change wayyy too slow. Well until now where atheist % is growing and theist % is lowering.
Anyways even tho i am a atheist i do not believe in the Big Bang. Well not fully...I think the universe expanse and then shrinks back to a really tiny ball and boom!! A other big bang, making the universe to expanse....and so on.
Why not just say that this "singularity" IS God? If you agree that there was a singularity, then Catholics could simply infer that it is God. After all, that statement would be scientifically correct.
Again with the god of the gaps. Heres the thing about the science philosophy, if there is something unknown, it is simply accepted as an unknown. Scientists don't fear the unknown but rather take it as an incentive to explore and expand horizons. While the big bang is widely accepted in the scientific community due to the large volume of evidence supporting it, the cause of the big bang is something yet to be found and may possibly never be found out. But simply stating something like "this "singularity" IS God" without any evidence just so that you can mix faith with science is not scientifically correct. I mean seriously, it's like everytime there is an unknown, some religious person just has to involve their god in it in order to reinforce their own rigid beliefs. Who needs evidence when you can just tell yourself over and over that god did it? Eless, if you are implying that everything is part of god since all matter was part of the singularity then there really isn't any way to validate or invalidate your claim, plus all you have done is name the singularity. What proof do you have that the whole universe is self aware and omnipotent?
