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nevetsthereaper
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check this link out.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/19/california.deaf.shoplifting.arrest/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

personally, i think its fine, i mean they say he was turning purple, but i didn't see anything like that. just holding him. it kind of looked liked the guy was struggling anyway. what are your thoughts??

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SubZero131
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****, completely unnecessary, even if they thought he was a thief they should have just grabbed him, not tackled. It even said he was walking off, if they assumed he was some guy thieving from the store then wouldnt they think hed be running after the alarm went off and they started yelling?

halogunner
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attacking the disabled is wrong

314d1
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He shoplifted, and had shoplifted before. Hopefully it will make him stop shoplifting...

Lets look at this threw the perspective of the guard. Someone had just stolen from the store, making your adrenalin flow, so you tackled the man. Since he couldn't say anything to the effect of "I give!" or" I surrender!" you would continue. It would probably be difficult to recognize any other form of submission while tackling him.

Was it excessive? Yes. Was it the guard's fault? Not really.

nevetsthereaper
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i thought this country was all about equality, if that security guy had tackled a normal dude, would it be on the front page of yahoo?

314d1
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i thought this country was all about equality, if that security guy had tackled a normal dude, would it be on the front page of yahoo?


Possibly. But as I said the only reason such excessive force was given was solely do to the fact the man could not surrender and the guard probably had an adrenalin boost..
nevetsthereaper
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i guess, he coucld have just tapped him on the shoulder. if it wasn't denseley populated california i would expect better.

314d1
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Once again, think from the guard's perspective. The man was of decent size, thus a decent threat. Would you want to go up to someone who is potentially violent and tap them on the shoulder?

This man also probably wasn't trained to handle deaf people. It is probably a rare occurrence, hard to recognize, and thus hard to deal with.

SubZero131
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i will remember to beat the next old lady i see to death because she can not drive properly.

314d1
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i will remember to beat the next old lady i see to death because she can not drive properly.


Totally incomparable.

A man stealing from a store gets tackled, because he can't surrender. Thus excessive force happens to be used. The old lady can't help but drive poorly, while shoplifting is something he can help. (Unless of course its food, but I think its a clothing store)
nevetsthereaper
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not to mention his previous inditements for shoplifting in 02 and 08, and on the old lady thing, old people need to stop driving.

SubZero131
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Totally incomparable.


i was being a smart ass, cause you know, i am psychic...

i read the article twice and never saw where it said that he actually stole anything, but maybe i myself am blind and therefore did not see it.
Kyouzou
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That's the most age discriminatory thing I've heard all day.


While excessive force was used, it cannot be considered the guards fault, as he was not aware of the mans disability nor was he trained to deal with it properly. Second is just me, or should there be a way to let those with hearing disabilities know that a store alarm is going off.

314d1
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i read the article twice and never saw where it said that he actually stole anything, but maybe i myself am blind and therefore did not see it.


It seems to be hinting he did. The alarm went off, he was tried before, and it seems that the article is attempting to remain semi neutral.

I guess we will see after this goes to court.
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nor was he trained to deal with it properly.


How do you train security guards to deal with deaf people? Maybe he could jump in front of the guy and sign out "STOP! THIEF! I WILL TACKLE YOUR BUTT TO THE GROUND!"
Hypermnestra
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I think that the guard was just doing his job, but he was completely excessive. I mean, it's like, yeah, the guy stole something, but when someone doesn't respond to the alarm or your shouts, what do you do? You tap them on the shoulder. I mean, how hard is that? And the guard had already submitted the deaf dude, you could see it, he was tapping out, so yeah. I think the deaf guy should go to jail for shoplifting, the guard should get fired, and the world should get some common sense.
Thank you and good day.

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