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locoace3
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since there really s no topic on whether or not he really exists and created people i decided to make one


start debating... NOW!

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AnaLoGMunKy
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Might considering actually reading the links.


What? and gain all that knowledge, expanding my brain beyond a capacity to blindly worship and actually use some logic in my life....

no way dude. Im happy being led by my shepherd. "baaaaa!" *munch munch*
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There seems to be a very important fact that people are forgetting here, the world wasn't created in a day. According to very concrete evidence, the Earth is 4.5 billion years old. As Mage said, it's easy for RNA molecules to form given the time and the state that the Earth is in.

There was never any need for a designer, they can just as easily transform by themself. Please note that this isn't something that happens over-night, it's a very complicated process that can take hundreds or thousands of years.

[url=http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution] Here's a link to back me up
[url=http://http://evolution.berkeley.edu/] And here

MageGrayWolf
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Link fix.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/

MageGrayWolf
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Oh and just on a side note the formation of life from non life, or if you must the "creation" of life, is not evolution but a theory known as abiogenesis.
How Abiogenesis Works

Shenko
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you guys always say lets assume god exists blah blah blah
well lets say he does and since he is so wise and smart you guys have no idea on how brilliant god is
since we are just people we cant compete with god so i cant answer your questions about religion but god can but that doesnt mean he will tell you
idk why but how should we know

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since we are just people we cant compete with god so i cant answer your questions about religion but god can but that doesnt mean he will tell you

Since no higher power will help us in our quest to find the truth we are bound to try and search for ourselves, because we really want to know. What's your problem with that?
but god can but that doesnt mean he will tell you

Yeah yeah, we all know, free will and true faith and all that. Still, he could've at least done some effort to bring us on the right track if he existed.
idk why but how should we know

True, we'll never know for sure if there is a god or not. That doesn't mean we can't talk about possibilities right?
MageGrayWolf
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since we are just people we cant compete with god so i cant answer your questions about religion


Many theists behave as if they do have the answers from god though.

but god can but that doesnt mean he will tell you


If we are just left to our own devices and unable to rely on god for answers then why do so many theists blatantly ignore our ability to find answers and instead search for them in god?
Further more if god isn't going to give us answers then this puts every holy text said to have been written/inspired by god in question.

True, we'll never know for sure if there is a god or not.


Depending on that god being an active and interactive one with this world and the universe as a whole, then we could eventually know. However if there is no god there will be nothing to find.
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Think about it.. religion has actually convence ppl that is a invisible man living in the sky, watching every thing you do every minute of every day, and the invisible man has a special list of 10 things he does not want you to do and if you do any of these 10 things he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish but he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever till the end of time.... but he loves you !!


Yes the clergyman has the best bull@$^ story every. If the Christian God does exist I think atheists need to get a hold of his pr man. The deity manages to kill millions and can't even keep his own story straight yet is till seen as perfect and all loving.
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like i said you and god arent at the same level of intelligence
so you cant possibley beat him in a debate so why even argue?
sure give your idea
but will you beat god by debating on a gaming site?

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Since no higher power will help us in our quest to find the truth we are bound to try and search for ourselves, because we really want to know. What's your problem with that?


no side being taken, just a pre thought. i would like to comment though, how can you say that if he was there he hasn't helped. if they are right about god, he literally has given us all the help he can, without killing free will. "to know the future is to trappe by it"(children of dune). if he is there, and he understood all, then he would know that if he just told us the meaning, life would become meaningless after we achieved. like a video game, once you win, whats the point in playing.


Yeah yeah, we all know, free will and true faith and all that. Still, he could've at least done some effort to bring us on the right track if he existed.


still no sides, remember that!! he did, if they are right. its called a concience, um jiminy cricket anyone?? "let your concience be your guide"(pinochio)

True, we'll never know for sure if there is a god or not. That doesn't mean we can't talk about possibilities right?


well sort of, if your right, then nothing happens, at all. if they are right you will find out, infact, if they are right of course, there is no doubt as to the likelyhood that you will KNOW if there is a god or not.

Many theists behave as if they do have the answers from god though.


true can be said of most all of every human anywhere about anything.

now feel free to bash me too, but remember i have no side, i just think its unfair that there is like 3 people claiming to be christian kids on here, and the rest claim to be athiests. si im just helping to balance the scale a little.
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like i said you and god arent at the same level of intelligence
so you cant possibley beat him in a debate so why even argue?
sure give your idea
but will you beat god by debating on a gaming site?


Who are you talking to here? If god isn't real or just not willing to open a dialog with me how could I possibly even try debating with him?

no side being taken, just a pre thought. i would like to comment though, how can you say that if he was there he hasn't helped. if they are right about god, he literally has given us all the help he can, without killing free will.


revealing himself to us would not kill freewill though. Demanding worship then going out of his way to make it seem like he had no hand in it makes no sense what so ever, and that is only the tip of the issues with this God and free will.

he did, if they are right. its called a concience, um jiminy cricket anyone?? "let your concience be your guide"(pinochio)


My continence has no issue with gay couples, yet others do. My continence finds it morally wrong to kill another person just for believing something different, others have no issue with this. It would seem if this continence was God's way of guiding us he seriously screwed up.

well sort of, if your right, then nothing happens, at all. if they are right you will find out, infact, if they are right of course, there is no doubt as to the likelyhood that you will KNOW if there is a god or not.


Good point, though this makes requiring that we believe in him in this existence all that more illogical. He gave no evidence of his existence here, would have even gone the extra mile to make it look like he didn't do anything, would have given us this curiosity and ability to reason. Such a being should understand why we don't believe and would be damn surprised when we met him.

true can be said of most all of every human anywhere about anything.


Again the difference is evidence. We behave as if we have an answer because we were able to test our hypothesis and independent of our previous belief still come out with the same results. When we come to something we don't know we can honestly say we don't know.

With the theist view they come to something that is unknown and insert "god did it" and stick to this even when evidence is presented indicating otherwise.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/MageGrayWolf/science-vs-religion1.png
Shenko
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so your facts are off what a commic strip has to say
that is definatley made by an atheist
also if god revealed himself to the world we would die
once again you do not put everything into play like god does so you cant really have the right information

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so your facts are off what a commic strip has to say
that is definatley made by an atheist


Probably was an atheist who did it, but how is it off? In science they do take the facts and see where it leads. In theist thinking you start with a conclusion ("god did it" in this case.) and try to make the facts fit it.

also if god revealed himself to the world we would die


Really? If we're talking about the Biblical God at the moment he didn't seem to have any problem revealing himself to people without them dying.
Really this comes off like me saying, I have a book of all knowledge. But you can't look at this book because if you do a laser beam will shoot out of it and burn a hole through your head killing you. This just comes off as dodging presenting evidence.

once again you do not put everything into play like god does so you cant really have the right information


Yet again if he exists, he's not talking to me so all I can do is use the tools of reason, curiosity, and my ability to examine the world to base anything on. The tools that if this being is real gave me to use.

now feel free to bash me too, but remember i have no side, i just think its unfair that there is like 3 people claiming to be christian kids on here, and the rest claim to be athiests. si im just helping to balance the scale a little.


I would rather hear your thoughts. If the theists arguments are strong then the difference in numbers won't matter.
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so your facts are off what a commic strip has to say


You didn't read any of it, did you? The comic is probably all you saw. Read the rest of it, he is well sourced and has good logic... The comic is probably just for amusement.

that is definatley made by an atheist


No.Fricken.Duh.

also if god revealed himself to the world we would die


Do to his huge violent ways? If not, then why has he shown himself to several people in the old books without mass deaths?

once again you do not put everything into play like god does so you cant really have the right information


There is no god. You are the one claiming infallible evidence right?

Here, Ill attempt to explain it with math

Can you answer this equation? a+b=c. That is the simplest form you can get without knowing what a b and c are, correct? You are attempting to state that a is 42. The truth is you don't know. Sure, it could be 42, but there are an infinity of other numbers that have an equal chance of being real.

However, bring even evidence of him existing. Actual evidence, like all the worlds hungry being fed or all the worlds sick being healed at an exact, specified moment in time as well as the clouds forming "I AM YAHWEH AND I EXIST!" in every aria of the world. That would be proof. Feelings and an old book, however, is not proof.
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also if god revealed himself to the world we would die


evidence of this is...where? Also your level of stupidity amazes me.

once again you do not put everything into play like god does so you cant really have the right information


And you can?
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