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BenTheBozer
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The Virgin Mary is the mother of Jesus who was impregnated by god, as far as I know God never asked Mary if she was ok with this, so does this mean God raped Mary? What do you guy's think?

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MRWalker82
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It's easy to see how 'virgin' as in 'not had sex' could be easily swapped for (and visa versa) virgin as in 'clean, pure'


It's funny you should bring that up because that is one of the dominate myths about Mary. The idea of the immaculate conception holds that Mary was born free of the 'original sin' for whatever reason, and that is why she was chosen to birth Jesus. Many of the original texts of the gospel use terms which, as you say, could mean that she was a 'sexual virgin' or that she was simply 'ure' or 'untouched'. Both terms fit with the myths surrounding Mary's purity and/or her physical virginity at the time of the conception of Jesus. And again, this is all parallel to Egyptian mythology.
AnaLoGMunKy
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with some pagan traditions tossed in the mix (most notably in Christianity)


Yeap... they pretty much took all that pagans did and turned it against them, the most notable being pan turned into the devil image that christians love to hate to this very day.

I think the internet will be the downfall of religion because of people like us who give the connected dots to other us's and spread the information around the globe.
MRWalker82
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the most notable being pan turned into the devil image that christians love to hate to this very day.


It actually was more inspired by Cernunnos and several Greek/Roman gods and mixed with the Hebrew Ha-satan, as well as mixture of other demigods and myths.
AnaLoGMunKy
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It actually was more inspired by Cernunnos and several Greek/Roman gods and mixed with the Hebrew Ha-satan, as well as mixture of other demigods and myths.


Ah... so a jack of all evils.
MRWalker82
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Ah... so a jack of all evils.


Basically. A lot the prominence of Satan as a horned devil who tortured souls seemed to rise out of the spread of Christianity to Europe, and especially Britannia, where they attempted to absorb or destroy the pagans. One of the prominent pagan deities was Cernunnos, the horned one, who was the partner of the Mother Goddess.

The early Christians at this time actually targeted the Druids, the keepers of the records and traditions, specifically in battle in order to destroy the history of the pagan tribes. They also began slowly modifying Christian figures, especially the Devil and his minions, to relate more closely to the pagan figures in an attempt to scare people away from their old gods.

Talk about turning the other cheek and loving your neighbors...
AnaLoGMunKy
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One of the prominent pagan deities was Cernunnos, the horned one, who was the partner of the Mother Goddess.


Hmmm... interesting thing is I have a graphic novel about a warrior called slane. It has the godess and the horned god in it. Its Irish in origin but really the whole of the UK had the same kind of legends.

I know lots of my generation who are either pagan or close to it. I myself certainly have a lot more love for the pagan ways than the Christian ones.
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John believed unequivocally that Jesus was not born of flesh, but was in fact God incarnate,


I'm guessing that's partly how the Holy Trinity came about?

@AnaLoGMunKy

Pagan as in polytheistic? Or Pagan as in a lack of belief in the god advocated by the Christian religion?
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I'm guessing that's partly how the Holy Trinity came about?


Actually the Christians formed a comity of some important people and basically said "We have some shit to explain. All in favor of there being three gods, who are one god?" And that got the most votes. In the true Christian way, those who voted differently were then exiled to be prevented from spreading there ideals.
MRWalker82
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Hmmm... interesting thing is I have a graphic novel about a warrior called slane. It has the godess and the horned god in it. Its Irish in origin but really the whole of the UK had the same kind of legends.


Yeah, Cernunnos was originally Celtic in origin, but by the time Christianity spread to western Europe and Britannia his presence was seen from Ireland all the way into the German states, and although to a lesser extent, down into Gaul. Also, look at images of Cernunnos from the time period, then consider the representations of Satan.

For example:
These are old Celtic representations of Cernunnos, the horned one, and father of animals. While this may have helped to shape our modern interpretation of what Satan is said to look like, the earliest descriptions of him actually predate the expansion of Christianity into Europe, and are most notably influenced by the mythology of the Egyptians and the Zoroastrians, each of whom have deities possessing similar qualities ascribed to Satan.

http://irelandsown.net/cernunnos2.jpg
http://www.magicalomaha.com/Tylercandles/plaque_cernunnos.jpg
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Man, that guy is one horny sunnova... Nevermind. Anyway, of course Christianity borrowed from many other religions - it had to do that to survive. Like any good business, it diversified to meet the needs of the market.

XXAlienGirlXX
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I think the whole thing is a story, I dont think jesus was real and I also agree with mrwalker that the whole thing came from previous religions. (im pretty sure thats what ye are saying, sorry if not)


From previous religions? what other religions? some stories in the bible were written several years before the another and they talked about what was going to happen. And they have actually found armor in the sea that Moses "opened up" but the ocean was probably the garbage too. :P
XXAlienGirlXX
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Man, that guy is one horny sunnova... Nevermind. Anyway, of course Christianity borrowed from many other religions - it had to do that to survive. Like any good business, it diversified to meet the needs of the market.


How could it have been borrowed if these stories are thousands of years old?
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Even in the Quraan, they believe in the virgin birth, so it is not like Christianity is alone on this one. I would be willing to bet that other religions beilieve the same thing to.

As for the idea that God knocked her up, it wouldn't really be a virgin birth then. If the whole point was for Jesus to be born of a virgin then why have God drill her from now till New Year's?

XXAlienGirlXX
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She didnt even have sex she just randomly became pregnant...

valkery
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No, God placed the embryo inside of her and then nature carried out it's usual process.

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