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Joe96
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In biology last week, we were talking about carrying capacities (i.e. how many organisms of one species can populate an area at one time), and I was wondering if the human population had a carrying capacity.

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Kyouzou
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And you completely forgot to correct that when I double checked right? Haha

Has anyone heard about the Atlantic Wind Connection
This could greatly decrease energy costs on the eastern sea board once it is implemented. The issue is that it will take a decade atleast to implement the entire system.

MRWalker82
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And you completely forgot to correct that when I double checked right? Haha


Apparently... I hadn't even noticed my typo. Sorry guys.
samy
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Has anyone heard about the Atlantic Wind Connection


I read about it today and honestly I'm not the biggest fan of wind power. It's very, very pricey; can cause fluctuations in the grid; they aren't incredibly reliable; etc. I'm all for nuclear power though as well as geothermal energy being used in individuals homes. In fact I would love to see a system where the majority of the power in the grid comes from individual home owners with private solar panels, geothermal systems, and-if they choose- wind power.
Kyouzou
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While it is pricey, it reduces the grip that the Saudi's have on us. And as far as I'm concerned that's a good thing, I mean some of those oil barons could hire Donald Trump as a maid.

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While it is pricey, it reduces the grip that the Saudi's have on us. And as far as I'm concerned that's a good thing, I mean some of those oil barons could hire Donald Trump as a maid.


Why not invest in other renewable energy sources instead though? Nuclear power being a great one.
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Because as far as I know, wind power can't cause Cheronobyl...

I realize that there a safe guards to prevent this and the likelihood of such an incident even happening is incredibly low. However this doesn't mean that people aren't scared, nuclear power is a volatile element, that can cause unfathomable destruction, I can't say I blame them.

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While it is pricey, it reduces the grip that the Saudi's have on us


Interesting you should say that. Here's the current statistics on where the US imports it's oil from for 2009.

Total imports (barrels) 42,671,100,000
From Persian Gulf (barrels) 616,371,000

As you can see we actually only get a small portion of our oil from all Persian Gulf nations combined. In fact, the top importers of oil to the US are Canada and Mexico.
samy
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Because as far as I know, wind power can't cause Cheronobyl...


But it is loud, can kill animals, and can fall over.

However this doesn't mean that people aren't scared, nuclear power is a volatile element, that can cause unfathomable destruction, I can't say I blame them.


Most people are scared because they are simply misinformed, for example 3 mile isle was an extremely tame incident. Actually if you want to know one of the causes of us being on the tit of Saudi Arabia you just have to look at the fear caused by misinformation about 3 mile isle; if it never would have happened it could be said nuclear power would be the most prominent form of power.

As you can see we actually only get a small portion of our oil from all Persian Gulf nations combined. In fact, the top importers of oil to the US are Canada and Mexico.


Ah, but we aren't invading them.
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Ah, but we aren't invading them.


True, but it does illustrate how oil is actually a minimal incentive for war. In fact, for the past 5 years straight the US has imported more crude oil and petroleum from Canada than from all Persian Gulf nations combined. So, if we are getting that much from our friendly folks in the north, where is the incentive to go halfway around the world to get less, cost more, and force us to build the refineries and pumps which are already available to us on our own continent? Exactly, there is none. There are many reasons we are in the Middle East, and oil is about number 12 on the list of top 10 reasons.
samy
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Exactly, there is none. There are many reasons we are in the Middle East, and oil is about number 12 on the list of top 10 reasons.


But perpetuating the idea that it's in the top three helps to-

*ahem* off topic. I think we can all agree that fossil fuels aren't going to be the best way to get energy in the future due to health concerns, price, lack of availability, and environmental concerns.
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But it is loud,


These are being built a few miles out to sea, no settlement would be affected by noise.

As for the referencing of 3 Mile Island, you would note that I referred to Chernobyl the one that was actually a great danger. Misinformation or not, things like this are ingrained into people, and a simple report that says that things like there are rare is simply not going to happen.
samy
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These are being built a few miles out to sea, no settlement would be affected by noise.


No, but being out at sea increases the price of the energy severely.

As for the referencing of 3 Mile Island, you would note that I referred to Chernobyl the one that was actually a great danger.


I know, but the real American problem was 3 Mile Isle. Chernobyl was both old and in Soviet Russia, heck Americans should want to show them commies or whatever it is conservatives say these days.

Misinformation or not, things like this are ingrained into people, and a simple report that says that things like there are rare is simply not going to happen.



So force the construction of them, no offence but you* being ill-informed isn't causation for me to kill the environment or pay more for my electricity.

*You meaning those who are ill-informed not you.
MRWalker82
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So force the construction of them, no offence but you* being ill-informed isn't causation for me to kill the environment or pay more for my electricity.


Unfortunately for us, but also fortunately for us, the government can't step in and do that without citizen approval.
samy
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Unfortunately for us, but also fortunately for us, the government can't step in and do that without citizen approval.


But it could attempt to pass more legislation on the matter. As I side note I promise plants will not begin to release toxins that will force us to kill ourselves if we build more nuclear power plants.
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But it could attempt to pass more legislation on the matter.


I agree, and I agree that we need to return to nuclear power. However I highly doubt it will happen, especially not until we find a more appropriate way to dispose of the inevitable waste. I would recommend bio-engineering some form of parasite or bacteria which 'scrubs' the radioactive material from the coolant to eliminate the toxicity of the waste, but not sure if we could even pass legislature allowing that. You have probably seen how touchy people get when you talk about bio-engineering.
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