ForumsWEPRAn interesting, if not "disturbing" topic....

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Mammon
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I will not be here for a couple of hours, but I thought I would start this to see what some of your thoughts on this subject are.

I heard a strange thing in the news a while ago. Something along the lines of "first pregnant male". Yeah, freaked me out a bit. Later, after doing some research, I found that this 'male' was actually a female, who had a sex change operation. That does not actually count as being male, in my book. Testes make a male, ovaries make a female, in a simple way to put it.

What is everyone's thought on this? Another thing to think about - are you confused by this topic? Probably not as confused as that he/she's baby will be...

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DragonMistress
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I wish people were not so narrow minded.

Two people love each other, and that is a beautiful thing. They wish to have a child, which is wonderful. Although the pictures are a bit strange to see, I think this is a great progression in our society.

Yes, it might be hard on the child. But would you rather have two loving, devoted parents, one of which had a sex change, or two parents of opposite genders who fight and bicker and beat you? There are worse things in the world than to grow up in a household of love.

homegrove
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Peasant

You are right, DragonMistress, I suppose it is better to be in a household like that, than to have parents that physical abuse you. But, can you not see the point I am striving at? If one steps aside from the outlook of "all you need is love", you can see how twisted some things have become.

Oh well, it does not matter. I asked to hear what some people thought, and I received precisly what I asked for.

DragonMistress
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^.^ Im a romantic, I cant help it. I can see how it would be tough for the child, yes, but what doesnt kill you makes you stronger...

homegrove
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... well, I guess I might appear as coming down a little to 'harsh' on this couple. But what really baffled me, was on the news they stated that she was "the first pregnant male". Uh, no. That is incorrect. She was a female, that had a sex change, but is still a female, nonetheless.

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DragonMistress, you making the fallacy of the excluded middle. Yes, a loving family is better than an abusive one. Should this couple be allowed to raise children? Probably, I doubt they will become abusive. However, stating that they will necessarily be a loving couple is not something you can really stipulate or argue against. Nobody knows how they will treat a child until after they've had it. That applies to ALL parents, not just this couple.

I still wonder why they went to the bother of artificial insemination, when it has potential medical issues and there are many children waiting for adoption.

homegrove
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Peasant

I can agree with you there, kanethebrain, especially since the woman who is carrying the child looks very much like a male. When I saw a picture of her/him on the Colbert Report, it was shocking, for lack of a better word.

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JWE, they are not cheating nature. He used to be a woman. He decided back when he wanted to change, that he would keep his uterus because his wife is infertile. So yes, he is a man, but he has a uterus too, because he used to be a woman.

homegrove
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Really Carlie? That does not make a whole lot of sense (at least to me) What you are saying, is basically this person is a man-woman. You are stating he is a man, but has a uterus because he used to be a woman... something about that statement just does not feel natural. In all honesty, I do not believe you can ever 'fully' change your gender, even if you can deceive the naked eye, such as the person in question has done.

Carlie
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He was born a woman, but he decided that truly he was a man. I mean this in the spiritual sense. He identified more with being a male, so he decided to change his gender. But in this change, he decided to keep his uterus.

He may not be a 'natural' man, but he is in all other senses of the word.

homegrove
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Peasant

I see, that makes slightly more sense. I could never relate to the whole subject of 'being trapped in the wrong body', but it must be very frustrating for those who find themselves in such situations.

Carlie
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Indeed it is... it is a very hard transition. I have a friend who is going through it right now. But she is much happier with her identity now, more that she ever was when she was male.

kanethebrain
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Nomad

Transgender is a hard transition to make, but I think one of the issues with this couple is that they're trying to have it both ways, ie "I want to be a man but I want to give birth also". Well, sorry honey, it's one or the other. I think it's great that you want kids. I think it's great that you want to express yourself as the gender you feel you are. But there's a disconnect where you want both.

JWE
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He has a promising career as a pornstar.

turret
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ok to make sure there are 2 men in this right

homegrove
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No, there is supposedly one 'man' and a woman, but the 'man' is actually a woman who had a sex change. Except, she looks exactly like a man, except with the pregnant stature in his/her stomach. Looks very disturbing, if you ask me.

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