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I think that the way the whole thing could be solved is by allowing their priests to get married. Getting married would help the priests do whatever their version of a good job is without suppressing natural urges, thus stopping whatever sick need they have molest young people.
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Seperation of church and state works both ways.
By that logic everyone who isn't part of the government is above the law.
By that logic everyone who isn't part of the government is above the law
I meant that church believes they are above man made laws limiting them because of seperation. Hence government is above spiritual laws affecting them.
I Think it has a lot to do with trying to repress emotions.
I have tried looking into pedophilia. From what I have gathered just being turned on by a child isn't enough to bring someone to go messing around with kids and often those feelings can be handled with some KY, a box of tissues, and a quick internet search. Going out and actually doing it seems to result from either repressing the feelings to the point they are no longer controllable, or having additional feelings comparable to what would drive a rapist.
Considering the way the church is about sex or any sexual acts outside of getting married and having way to many children, repressed feelings would be very common. With a priest who can't get married I would guess this is even worse.
Given they seem to be going after boys, this indicates not only are they repressing pedophilic desires but also homosexual desires. Doing this especially with pedophilic desires will ultimately result in those feelings becoming uncontrollable.
Worse yet is how the church has handled it, and not just by a few isolated groups but by the Pope himself has been directly responsible for cover ups. This issue doesn't even stop there as this has been an issue for centuries.
The video itself comes off sounding a bit conspiracy theoryish, but has some interesting things to say on the matter.
The Beast File: Catholic Church Sex Scandals (HUNGRY BEAST)
A priest, a rapeist, and a pedofile walk into a bar. And that is just the first guy.
Sorry, I just heard that one and thought it was funny.
Interesting link you put up Manxboz.
Everyone should watch the link Mage put up. I think its a bit sensationalist but its clear and shows the catholic church to be an underhanded organisation when it comes to morality.
but also homosexual desires. Doing this especially with pedophilic desires will ultimately result in those feelings becoming uncontrollable.
And we all know what the church feels about homosexuality. Or do we really?
And we all know what the church feels about homosexuality. Or do we really?
I've read in several places that it's possible that the translations are incorrect. That all the words that were translated into homosexuality, were really promiscuity.
@ Asherlee: I was talking about the churches modern view rather than the mistranslations. No matter how similar those are....
Well, the problem with their modern view stems back that far. If you had a mistranslation 1400 years ago, then your modern view needs to change because it is incorrect. So, homosexuality (if it is a mistranslation) should be a non-issue.
Even though going by the Christian Bible for morality is laughable, but it's still a valid point.
I wonder what the pope is thinking about this as he has done nothing major on the matter. Like my OP for example.
I've read in several places that it's possible that the translations are incorrect. That all the words that were translated into homosexuality, were really promiscuity.
The word homosexual only appears in later translations. The first time a word was translated as homosexual that I know of was in "New International Version" (1984) later versions published in 1995 also included a second verse translating a word as homosexual.
The actual word is arsenokoites. I'm not sure what the translation of this word is. The second translation is actual interpreting a phrase "giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh" which could just as easily indicate sexual relations with animals
Even if this was the case there are references to how male/male or female/female relationships (indicating a sexual one), are wrong.
Good info, Mage. I have another piece of info to request from you. You're a good research is why I ask. Can you show me the female/female relationship references?
Good info, Mage. I have another piece of info to request from you. You're a good research is why I ask. Can you show me the female/female relationship references?
Romans 1:26-27 (NIV)
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Just for cross reference (KJV)
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
I also found the literal translation of the word arsenokoites is a combination of two words meaning male and bed. An odd choice of words considering the Greek word for homosexuality was androkoites.
Yes, i agree, but the catholic church is corrupt and won't change, nothing we can do about it; they could end world hunger or poverty by selling all their precious paintings in the vatican, but that won't happen either.I truly believe that was the stupidest thing I've ever heard on this sight (if you meant it).
Now back to the subject as ridiculous as it is. I think it is stupid to think priests like kids especially. There may have been a few that have molested kids but I bet there is roughly an even number of people from all religions, and aspects of life that molests kids or have thoughts of them. The reason that it sticks out that priests like kids is because it's simply bigger news and more stunning.
I think it could theorectically be fixed by having a sex doll of a kid that screams and wiggles when you... it. But they'll always be the sickos that likes to touch little boys.
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Yes, i agree, but the catholic church is corrupt and won't change,
the catholic church has celebate priests because it changed from the traditions of the ancient church. Any proper Apostolic church would say that Priests don't have to be celebate, and are aloud to be married with kids.
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