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thepossum
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[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEheh1BH34Q&feature=player_embedded]Here ya go.[/url]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Star-sizes.jpg

See that there video? See how amazingly small we are, in the larger scheme of things? We are such an insignificant speck in the universe, don't you think? We don't deserve to think highly of ourselves. We're nothing.

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delossantosj
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well if weve gotten this far in evolution to the point we're smart enough to figure all this stuff out then we deffinatly have something to be proud of dont you think?

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well if weve gotten this far in evolution to the point we're smart enough to figure all this stuff out then we deffinatly have something to be proud of dont you think?


Assuming, of course, that there aren't other species out there that have evolved much better than ourselves, and are amazingly smarter.
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We don't deserve to think highly of ourselves. We're nothing.


The fact that we can think are nothing means that we have to be something, it means we are self aware, that we know that we are.

Also, just because giant non biological balls of gas are bigger than me I should feel as if I'm less?
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Assuming, of course, that there aren't other species out there that have evolved much better than ourselves, and are amazingly smarter.


well think about it. we have ipads dude...... come on do you have one or have played on one? those things is sweet
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The fact that we can think are nothing means that we have to be something, it means we are self aware, that we know that we are.


Of course, this is once again assuming we ARE smart. While we may be intelligent compared to other species on our own planet, we may be less than retards to other species on other planets.

Also, just because giant non biological balls of gas are bigger than me I should feel as if I'm less?


Logically, no. It was just to give you a sense of how small and how little effect we have on the universe at all. More subconsciously, than anything.

well think about it. we have ipads dude...... come on do you have one or have played on one? those things is sweet


Aliens have the Ihouse. And the Iteleport. They win.
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We may be insignificant, but at least out of all 9 planets in the solar system, we're most likely the most developed

But this is why I love astronomy though. I'm interested by the fact that there's something out there that's larger or greater than we are. Maybe I have ADD, but that's pretty cool :l

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But we consider ourselves something and thats good enough for most people. Do you think the ant looks up at us and considers it insignificance?

thepossum
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But we consider ourselves something and thats good enough for most people. Do you think the ant looks up at us and considers it insignificance?

Considering something to be what it's not shouldn't be good enough for anyone. Ants don't have the brain power to consider much of anything, BTW.
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Of course, this is once again assuming we ARE smart. While we may be intelligent compared to other species on our own planet, we may be less than retards to other species on other planets.


It's assuming that we are conscious of our own existence which we are. We win.

Logically, no. It was just to give you a sense of how small and how little effect we have on the universe at all. More subconsciously, than anything.


But we can have profound effects on human life, I don't need to concern myself with things outside of my own piece of the universe.
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http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/1084/compar.png

Image is scaled. Coincidentally, I was looking at the exact same comparison model last week for school.

I can't say much seeing as we aren't exactly aware of what is out there. The universe's sheer vastness can't be fully appreciated. For now, we are the masters of our own world.

If this is supposed to induce feelings of depression upon the realisation that I am insignificant in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't have much effect. No sadness, just awe.

I'm still waiting for those aliens.

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Ants don't have the brain power to consider much of anything, BTW.

But that is us looking down on them and saying that they are insignificant. Also we can smash atoms so Id say we are doing pretty good.
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I don't need to concern myself with things outside of my own piece of the universe.


I agree with that. We shouldn't be too obsessed over something which we aren't aware of to the point that it causes inhibiting problems.
thepossum
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If this is supposed to induce feelings of depression upon the realisation that I am insignificant in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't have much effect. No sadness, just awe


Wasn't supposed to be depressing.

But we can have profound effects on human life, I don't need to concern myself with things outside of my own piece of the universe.

I honestly couldn't care less about how we effect our own lives. Our own lives are ridiculously short, and I doubt our species will have any grand effects that effect anything for more than a million years, if that.
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I honestly couldn't care less about how we effect our own lives. Our own lives are ridiculously short, and I doubt our species will have any grand effects that effect anything for more than a million years, if that.


Our species affects our species, our lives in turn have affects on our species. Because this is all we know it's all we can affect, it doesn't matter if more is out there what matters is what is here, it's fun to know things like this but ultimately not that important.
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In regards to our intelligence, and the possibility of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, I'm reminded of something I heard watching some video. The analogy was posited that man did not bother to attempt to converse with a beetle because the beetle cannot understand, nor does man care what a beetle may be thinking because we are so much more 'intelligent' and sophisticated. It is a possibility than other intelligent life in the universe may regard us in much the same way as we regard that beetle.

Given the number of universes which have had billions of years longer than ours to form and evolve, it really is not a huge stretch of the imagination to think of a world which has evolved life far more complex and intelligent than anything we could ever conceive.

To quote Lawrence Krauss: "The universe is a huge place, and rare things happen all the time."

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