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Kevin4762
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'It's raining but I believe that it is not raining'.

This is the paradox that my teacher presented me and it basically deals with assertion and belief. If you know it is raining, then how can you believe it isn't. What do you think of it? Can it be possible to know P but not believe in it?

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Einfach
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Please explain the paradox...your thought is independent of truth.

driejen
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Asserting that is is raining implies belief that it is raining. If you say that you believe that it is not raining at the present tense, as is the same time that you assert that it is raining, then you are contradicting yourself.

Einfach
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Self-contradiction =/= paradox

Kevin4762
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Asserting that is is raining implies belief that it is raining. If you say that you believe that it is not raining at the present tense, as is the same time that you assert that it is raining, then you are contradicting yourself.


Precisely. If you are asserting the fact that it is raining, it is impossible to believe it isn't, or is it?
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If you know it is raining, then how can you believe it isn't. What do you think of it? Can it be possible to know P but not believe in it?


I call it being self delusional and ignoring the facts in favor of belief.
Kevin4762
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I call it being self delusional and ignoring the facts in favor of belief.


I don't think you understand. I want you people to prove that it is true. I know the answer, but I want to know if anyone can also get it. All the answers are controversial, which should spark up a good discussion.
Einfach
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I want you people to prove that it is true. I know the answer, but I want to know if anyone can also get it. All the answers are controversial, which should spark up a good discussion.


If you know the " "answer" " then tell us...maybe we can refute your proof...
Kevin4762
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If you know the " "answer" " then tell us...maybe we can refute your proof...


Excuse me but, there is no solution. I should phrased that the solution needs to explain the absurdity of both asserting the fact that it is raining and not believing it is so, and that by stating that you do no believe it is raining, then you are having an comissive and ommissive voice.

I am incredibly sorry if I misled you. I meant to say I know the requirements for the answer are. All of the proposed the solutions are controversial as they only answer one part of the paradox.
Einfach
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OK - what is belief? Does believing something make the idea in your mind's eye exist at all? I will contest that - no, it does not, as something like believing something can be reduced to physical interactions in your mind - thus it exists in a material state other than the idea itself - how we picture it.

Thus, there is no paradox, as something simply IS.

Kevin4762
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Einfach, since I don't want to make an assumption about what you said, could you clarify, please?

Einfach
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This is not a paradox. I don't see the paradox...at all.

Kevin4762
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This is not a paradox. I don't see the paradox...at all.


At first I didn't understand it either, but after my teacher explained to me I got it.

You know 2 + 2 = 4, right? What if you deny it. The paradox is is that it makes sense, but if it contradicts itself, then how can it be possible? That's the paradox.
Einfach
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You know 2 + 2 = 4, right? What if you deny it. The paradox is is that it makes sense, but if it contradicts itself, then how can it be possible? That's the paradox.


Irrationality is not a paradox.
Kevin4762
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The paradox is formed when a self-contradicting statement is possible. I am wondering if it is possible to prove that it is possible.

Einfach
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unexpected_hanging_paradox

Much, much better.

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