There are several things such a person who makes the claim that there are no absolutes could say:
1. Nothing is provable, because everything assumes postulates, such as (p --> p) or (p v ~p)... 2. We cannot know reality, because A. Our only judge of reality is our senses, which are fallible. B. Say our entire life were a simulation like The Matrix. We cannot say we know reality then!
Now, tell me, if Absolutes do not exist, then why should we believe anything, and what creates objectivity?
There are several things such a person who makes the claim that there are no absolutes could say: 1. Nothing is provable, because everything assumes postulates, such as (p --> p) or (p v ~p)...
True.
A. Our only judge of reality is our senses, which are fallible.
This is what I said one time and I got crucified for it. I agree with you, but I don't want the same to happen to you.
B. Say our entire life were a simulation like The Matrix. We cannot say we know reality then!
EXACTLY what I said before.
Now, tell me, if Absolutes do not exist, then why should we believe anything, and what creates objectivity?
Well, if we don't believe in anything, what's the purpose of life?
I know nothing can be proven, yet I choose to believe something that can not be proven
If you recognize there are no absolutes, then how can you hold any beliefs of your own? And if you hold beliefs of your own, how can you recognize there are no absolutes?
Second, isn't the "fact" that there are no absolutes an absolute in itself? How do we know this for certain?
I know I absolutely like my pizza when I make it. Doesn't much matter if I am perceiving the pizza wrong or it's a simulation or something akin to that, I like it still.
I know I absolutely like my pizza when I make it. Doesn't much matter if I am perceiving the pizza wrong or it's a simulation or something akin to that, I like it still.
But say some weird deity snapped his fingers and created the universe just for this instant, and you had all your memories and stuff. How do you know that you like your pizza if you've never had it?
The only thing you can prove is that you yourself have to exist, whether it be in the form you perceive or a form you don't perceive, else you wouldn't be able to think.
But the only reason why you think that is because of your own perceptions. So absolute zero doesn't count.
Its not my perceptions, its modern physics, I just worded it incorrectly. Absolute zero is defined by the fact that modern physics say it can't get colder.
What if it isn't that certain people like certain foods, it's that we all like the same taste and each percieve each food differently?
I don't think it really matters, since I know what I know, and you as well, and just saying that we MIGHT not know anything does absolutely nothing.
How do you know this thread is really about absolutes, are your eyes decieving you? Is some spasmoid god randomly changing the world around us? Are you sure what you're typing on is a keyboard? I don't really see the point in any of this.
Its not my perceptions, its modern physics, I just worded it incorrectly
But how do modern physicists know anything if our perceptions are not reality? They assume the same postulates... You can't prove anything if what you perceive is not reality.
The only thing you can prove is that you yourself have to exist, whether it be in the form you perceive or a form you don't perceive, else you wouldn't be able to think.
Hmm... We may have an answer...I wonder if anyone can come up to a response to this.
How do you know this thread is really about absolutes, are your eyes decieving you? Is some spasmoid god randomly changing the world around us? Are you sure what you're typing on is a keyboard? I don't really see the point in any of this.
Well, you haven't addressed the question. Part of the reason I ask it is because it's a tough question. But I'm sure there's moral implications to this - like look at the moral relativist vs. moral absolutist ideas.
