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Kevin4762
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Wind Energy.

Couldn't you just put hundreds of thousands of windmills, mass produce millions of electric cars, and use the electricity generated from those windmills to power the cars, thus, making us completely independent off of oil for good?

Windmill â' Energy
Energy â' Electricity
Electricity â' Cars, Homes, etc. free of fossil fuels
Cars, Homes, etc. free of fossil fuels = Happy Planet

Why do people complain that much about wind energy if it is so easy?

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Moe
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Wind energy currently requires a lot of money and space, not to mention it makes a ton of noise. If those could be solved however...

Kevin4762
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Wind energy currently requires a lot of money and space, not to mention it makes a ton of noise. If those could be solved however...


It also requires a ton of money and space for oil companies to drill. We do that.
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if you buy a windmill it takes forever to get your money back... unless you live somewhere very windy

Kevin4762
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if you buy a windmill it takes forever to get your money back... unless you live somewhere very windy


This type of windmill. It is actually a wind turbine but it is faster to type windmill.
Squidbears
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ahhh the ones that are gigantic and take up tons of space :P thats just about the only downside to them that i know of...

EnterOrion
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not to mention it makes a ton of noise


Nope.

I created a thread similar to this a while ago. Here you go.

I have my opinion on the matter right there.
Moe
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Nope.

I created a thread similar to this a while ago. Here you go.


Interesting, I've only ever heard about them being loud before. Now we just need to find space for them. Though I like the idea in that thread about spacing them out with them pooling the power.
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It also requires a ton of money and space for oil companies to drill. We do that.

The space isn't taken on the land where people see it. It doesn't make their territory more ugly, hence they don't complain. But put a whole park of these giant windmills, and you'll get reclamations.
Also, in my country I can't see where you could put that much of these giant windmills without destroying lots of green land = unhappy ecosystem.
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Don't forget it also disturbs and can kill birds if placed on migrations zones. One big problem of wind turbine makers (there is only a small number places where birds don't go whilst windy)

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The problem with wind turbines is that they run on wind power. That means they would not work all of the time, or in places that don't get a lot of wind. It's the same problem with solar power.
I think that if we could just find a way to corral nuclear fusion, that right there would be the end of all our energy problems.

Kevin4762
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ahhh the ones that are gigantic and take up tons of space :P thats just about the only downside to them that i know of...


Place them in the ocean. Off shore wind energy.

Interesting, I've only ever heard about them being loud before. Now we just need to find space for them. Though I like the idea in that thread about spacing them out with them pooling the power.


In the ocean, where it doesn't bother anybody. Actually, it provides a place for coral to form.

The space isn't taken on the land where people see it. It doesn't make their territory more ugly, hence they don't complain. But put a whole park of these giant windmills, and you'll get reclamations.
Also, in my country I can't see where you could put that much of these giant windmills without destroying lots of green land = unhappy ecosystem.


The ocean is very big, isn't it?

Don't forget it also disturbs and can kill birds if placed on migrations zones. One big problem of wind turbine makers (there is only a small number places where birds don't go whilst windy)


I don't know if many birds fly over the oceans.

The problem with wind turbines is that they run on wind power. That means they would not work all of the time, or in places that don't get a lot of wind. It's the same problem with solar power.
I think that if we could just find a way to corral nuclear fusion, that right there would be the end of all our energy problems.


There is a lot of wind on beaches. I can only imagine how much wind there would be in the open ocean.
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Place them in the ocean. Off shore wind energy.


I can imagine that this would cause a whole bunch of energy to be wasted whilst being transported to the energy station thingie or wherever, add to that the fact that wind power is currently not a very effective nor reliable source of energy, and well, there just wouldn't be enough energy.

I don't know if many birds fly over the oceans.


It happens.

The ocean is very big, isn't it?


The further away from the beaches you place it, the further you will have to transport the energy, meaning more would be wasted during the transportation, not to mention that it would make maintenance very difficult.

Don't have much previous knowledge about wind power, but common sense tells me this:

If it was as easy as you claim, it would've been done already.
Hypermnestra
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There is a lot of wind on beaches. I can only imagine how much wind there would be in the open ocean.

Lack of wind isn't the only problem.
I can't imagine a single spot that is sufficiently windy to provide enough wind to be a viable source of energy that isn't part of a migration route/living place/etc. for some kind of bird. Lots and lots of dead birds, compadre.
In addition, the further out to sea that the windmills are placed, the further the energy they generate would have to be transported to get wherever. And then, consider landlocked locations. That would be a very strenuous transportation process and it would, incidentally, use a lot of energy.
And I still like my fusion idea. xP
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I can imagine that this would cause a whole bunch of energy to be wasted whilst being transported to the energy station thingie or wherever, add to that the fact that wind power is currently not a very effective nor reliable source of energy, and well, there just wouldn't be enough energy.


If they can build oil rigs two square miles in the middle of the ocean, they can make wind farms in the ocean.

It happens.


I am not denying that, but either way, there will be deaths of birds. Besides, that is better than the chance of accidentally spilling millions of gallons of oil into the oceans, destroying entire ecosystems.

If it was as easy as you claim, it would've been done already.


People don't like change. We have had oil companies for over 130 year now. Do you think people would want to change from something they have been using for 130 years to something different so quickly?

Lack of wind isn't the only problem.
I can't imagine a single spot that is sufficiently windy to provide enough wind to be a viable source of energy that isn't part of a migration route/living place/etc. for some kind of bird.


I am not denying there won't be dead birds, but would you rather want dead birds or dead ecosystems?

In addition, the further out to sea that the windmills are placed, the further the energy they generate would have to be transported to get wherever.


I am pretty sure we can do it.
And then, consider landlocked locations. That would be a very strenuous transportation process and it would, incidentally, use a lot of energy.


Not so sure many countries are landlocked.
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If they can build oil rigs two square miles in the middle of the ocean, they can make wind farms in the ocean.


While transporting electricity, a lot is wasted in the process. You can't put electricity in a barrel and ship it via boat, like you can with oil rigs. And people can live and work on oil rigs, I doubt anyone would like to live on a windmill.
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