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Efan
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A couple of days ago I heard someone say: "Humanity will never stop fighting each other 'till the aliens get here."
Wether this is too cynical or not I believe that this is very true. What are your thoughts on this? For me agreeance is obvious but oftentimes what may seem obvious is seen as totally different to others.

I made this thread in the hope that the quote will be reveiwed on many levels and aspects.

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Sonatavarius
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the whole cliche fight for a common cause thing would probably apply here... i'm sure that when everyone is at risk of dying we'll probably have no problem trying to kill whatever it is that is trying to kill us whilst flying the same banner

Efan
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But humans can be so pathetically indecisive when it comes to group decisions, can they not?

Sonatavarius
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well i don't know for fact, but i would imagine that the different groups would all look to whoever has the largest military power locally and then they would support them and aid them.... i think that there would be indecision up until the point where someone either takes charge or is given that station.. at that point I would imagine that people would follow him alone... there might be more than one "him" for different groups.

maybe i can come up w/ something better when i'm not so tired lol...

FinnDragon
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Humanity will never stop fighting each other 'till the aliens get here."

I disagree with that.There is also another way how humans can end killing each other:They kill themselves, so any human isnt ecsis anymore
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I would have to disagree. If you look at humans and related species, it does seem to be part of our nature to combat one another in groups. But looking at history, we can see those groups growing with new technological growth. Inventions such as the well allowed large cities like Rome to come into being, roads aloud Rome as an empire to be essentially one large community who was not currently fighting each other. Inventions of sewers aloud for more waste to be removed from the cities, allowing for larger cities. Better versions of the aqueduct was made, allowing for larger cities. Better building materiel allowed for taller buildings which could hold more people. The automobile and air planes aloud travel to be swift and effective. Communications are now abundant, relatively cheap, and easy. And now look at the size of our "Tribes", some of the countries are the largest they have ever been. It would be safe to assume that with better technology, the size of our countries could grow until the world acts as a single tribe. Of course at that moment, space travel would probably be possible, meaning that each planet would probably be like it's own tribe, unless we could manage it more like only a city...

Any way, is war such a bad thing? If war has a decent reason for the conflict, some of the technological advances further to justify it. Not to mention any nations conquered by one with superior resources and technology would be able to benefit from the aid of it's new country, though more common in the days of conquering simply occupying an aria can have an effect on it's culture and technology. Another thing is that technological advances are made during war times (A different quote, "Necessity is the mother of invention&quot and much research can be used in civilian life. Though this is, of course, assuming the war was justified in the first place.

Einfach
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I think this is a huge oversimplification.

War occurs for reasons other than "it's our human nature."

DTheGuy
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Surest sign of intelligent life on other planets, they haven't contacted us.


No kidding, there is already a quarantine on us, more than likely. Ou solar system is probably code named "Area 52".
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I think we as humans have reached a point where there will always be selfish agenda's at the expense of the common people. Fighting will never stop... People make money off of war's and things. It is sad to say but it is too late for change as far as fighting

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I guess we would not even stop fighting if we were ever able to colonize new planets.. we'd probably be unable to take the occasion to start anew, instead there'll be strife for the control of the new colonies.

I think it's funny, because if you take the example of hunter-gatherers, they have a quite stable social structure where no one stands above the other, and those who want to rule the others or show any other egoistic behavior are either cast out or killed. There may be trouble between different tribes, I don't know, but within a certain frame we seem to be theoretically able to live in peace..

314d1
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think it's funny, because if you take the example of hunter-gatherers, they have a quite stable social structure where no one stands above the other


So those guys with the big hats that everyone calls "Chief" are just stoners who sit and their Tepees and smoke, not leaders?

and those who want to rule the others or show any other egoistic behavior are either cast out or killed


Or take over as chief or alpha or whatever you call it.

There may be trouble between different tribes, I don't know, but within a certain frame we seem to be theoretically able to live in peace..


"May be trouble between different tribes" is an understatement. Ever heard of the Blackfeet? A famous war mongering tribe. They had leaders and social units. And they were hunter-gatherers. May I ask why they seem to go COMPLETELY against your description?
Kevin4762
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As long as ignorance and violence exist, and they always will, humans will continue to fight.

HahiHa
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And they were hunter-gatherers. May I ask why they seem to go COMPLETELY against your description?

Seems like you are referring to native americans. I was more referring to indigenous tribes in the rain forest of south america. Maybe both are hunter-gatherers, in that case I beg for excuse for my inaccurateness.
Efan
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In the end I think humanity should learn to start to get along before any aliens arrive.

Only if the aliens wait for us to change our biology.
HahiHa
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Maybe we just need a major global catastrophe, and the surviving may learn from that. But, I fear that even then there will be people that take advantage. The only hope is that they will be eliminated for the survival of the surviving^^

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