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Kevin4762
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I just found out that rifles are illegal in Britain and Britain has one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world. I knew Japan didn't have any, but Britain?

What are your thoughts on this.

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Kevin4762
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True, but at the same time, the people in Britain are significantly older than Americans. The average age, I mean.

DTheGuy
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People will always find a way to kill, and just because a gun is banned doesn't mean people won't use it. They just will get it illegally.

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Homicide rates overall per 1000 in the UK are much lower then the USA. In the UK we have no gun culture as when they where first made the UK was the richest and one of the safest countrys to live in so we did not need them. In the USA when guns where first made they where wild country owned by many diffrent European powers so where under consternant threat and needed guns.

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why don't you guys invite our friend Avorne to this thread?.... he is British afterall...

Significant numbers of people in the US (all over the US) hunt. Plus the whole "Right to Bear Arms" thing keeps the US's guns in the hands of its citizens... now there are rules as to where you can't have them, and to actually carry one in public (at least in some instances i know of (I think I've heard that it may be different in texas)) you have to have a special permit or its a crime. ...Its not like we all just walk around waving guns around.

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Rifles have been used more in Europe then America....

But anyway, the UK is not as diverse as the US, theres only the Scottish hating the Welsh and what not but those are pety. Theres all kinds of gangs and thing is AMerica. So the average citizen is not a gun shootin' hick like Europeans think...

Kevin4762
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People will always find a way to kill, and just because a gun is banned doesn't mean people won't use it. They just will get it illegally.


Not talking about making guns illegal in the US.

A lot of kinds in brittan are violent, If something bad should ever happen and people get out of control, the govenment will want to prevent this. Its about control.


The Police nor the citizens have arms.

Homicide rates overall per 1000 in the UK are much lower then the USA. In the UK we have no gun culture as when they where first made the UK was the richest and one of the safest countrys to live in so we did not need them. In the USA when guns where first made they where wild country owned by many diffrent European powers so where under consternant threat and needed guns.


Guns were made in China. Firelance.

Significant numbers of people in the US (all over the US) hunt. Plus the whole "Right to Bear Arms" thing keeps the US's guns in the hands of its citizens... now there are rules as to where you can't have them, and to actually carry one in public (at least in some instances i know of (I think I've heard that it may be different in texas)) you have to have a special permit or its a crime. ...Its not like we all just walk around waving guns around.


I am not talking about the US. I am talking about the UK.

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Rifles have been used more in Europe then America....

But anyway, the UK is not as diverse as the US, theres only the Scottish hating the Welsh and what not but those are pety. Theres all kinds of gangs and thing is AMerica. So the average citizen is not a gun shootin' hick like Europeans think...


I disagree.
RedLlama
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Care to tell us why? So we can have a chat? hmm?

Kevin4762
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Rifles have been used more in Europe then America....


In which way?

But anyway, the UK is not as diverse as the US, theres only the Scottish hating the Welsh and what not but those are pety. Theres all kinds of gangs and thing is AMerica. So the average citizen is not a gun shootin' hick like Europeans think...


Gangs can easily be prevented using a better education system.
RedLlama
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Look at the wars in Europe compared to America.

And America's education system is awfull.

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the two coutries are to similar...

Kevin4762
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Look at the wars in Europe compared to America.


How many wars is Britain in right now? How many have they been in in the past fifty years?

How many wars is the US in right now? How many have they been in in the past fifty years?

Need I point out the british hooligans and the whole football(soccer) riots?
Punk music came out of England


How does that relate to guns?

the two coutries are to similar...


Barely.
RedLlama
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They are similar. And im not talking about wars that they are in, but wars that took place in Europe VS ones that took place in America.

Kevin4762
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Violence doesn't need guns to occur. All guns do is enable a higher kill rate (like a spree killing).

I should point out there was a recent case of a guy who went on a rampage in new york not with a gun but a knife and a car.


What do riots and punk music have to do with guns?
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I'm an American, but i can probably guess why the gun ownage in Britain is so low.

There's not too much forest left in the Isles, so there's not too much reason to hunt. Nowadays, with the introduction of massive warships and air-warfare, those two things are more important to defending britain than a standing army. The nation also has a monarchial history. Monarchs wanted there to be power of the minority, where one controlled all. Give people weapons, it becomes power of the majority, and a revolution occurs.

Because America knew that a republic had to go through change to adapt and mold with the world, they encouraged that all people hold firearms in their houses. Why? So they can

A) revolt when they feel government officials are making the nation unconstitutional

B) Defend this nation from foreign attack. back in the day, America had Britain to the north, France to the east, and Spain to teh south. The three biggest superpowers of the time surrounded them, so the government knew every last man, woman, adn child had to have the right to fight for the Republic.

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Look at the wars in Europe compared to America.


well, last war IN europe ended in `45, as far as I know. I mean western europe with that, not the balkan and russia.

no european country started a war after that. however, the US did. so which wars do you mean, the US civil war compared to, for example, the german-french war?

please expain yourself.

Defend this nation from foreign attack. back in the day, America had Britain to the north, France to the east, and Spain to teh south. The three biggest superpowers of the time surrounded them, so the government knew every last man, woman, adn child had to have the right to fight for the Republic.


I think this is a bad example, because it doesn't explain why other european country's don't have the right to have a weapon: belgium, germany and spain for example are nearer and therefore easier to attack.
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