ForumsWEPRIs matter infinite?

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Efan
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Everything is broken down into what makes it up. Eventually. But does it last forever?

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MageGrayWolf
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I'm not sure if I quite understand your question. Are you asking if there is an infinite amount of matter or has it always existed?

Efan
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Can matter be destroyed by time? I think that was it.

gaboloth
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i think he's meaning
people > cells > molecules > atoms > neutrons/protons etc > quarks > ??? should this go on forever?
well, my answer is no. nothing is really infinite in my opinion. but probably the list is much greater than the one humans can see.

gaboloth
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oh, wait, ninja. what? matter destroyed by time?

Efan
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Destroyed over time. I'm not sure how to better explain this.

MageGrayWolf
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Far as we know matter/energy can't be created or destroyed, so no it would be destroyed over time just change states.

jakeup
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There will always be matter no matter what. There can never be absolutly nothing.

Wafflesquad
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Well, absolutely nothing is a contradiction, because as soon as you know it's there, it's an idea. So, technically there can't be nothing.
According to the Law of the Conservation of Mass, mass cannot be created nor destroyed, it can only change form.
Which kind of kills the Big Bang, since anything that dense wouldn't do anything.
Well, what about entropy?

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Since matter cannot be created nor destroyed, as the universe expands, the matter will eventually spread out or be sucked up by black holes. Planets and stars would never be able to fully form once this happens and the universe will eventually be a desolate place. That is why I think that matter is constantly being created through wormholes/ect.

Sonatavarius
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b/c wormholes just happen to be everywhere around us and all...

how does that in any way debunk the big bang theory?

modern physicists (at least some) theorize that our universe is just a slice of some larger loaf of universes... if you can travel from one to the other then its possible that in some way our universe received matter from a transfer from one to the other... how you tear the fabric of existence like that I'm not sure, but that is the theory as I've seen it in different places. Maybe a black from one slice of the loaf got so massive that it some how ripped a hole and everything shot out the other direction faster then it could gravitate back. I know its far fetched...

although you'd think that maybe more then one "big bang" could possibly happen... as far as my research has shown... there aren't too many people (none that I've found) claiming there to have been more than one.

mysteriousmexican666
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b/c wormholes just happen to be everywhere around us and all...
I'm not saying that they are common, I am saying that they probably create and/or transfer matter like you said.
MageGrayWolf
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Which kind of kills the Big Bang, since anything that dense wouldn't do anything.


How do you come to that conclusion?

Since matter cannot be created nor destroyed, as the universe expands, the matter will eventually spread out or be sucked up by black holes. Planets and stars would never be able to fully form once this happens and the universe will eventually be a desolate place. That is why I think that matter is constantly being created through wormholes/ect.


Yep according to the models eventually the Universe will expand so much that matter will be spread out so much it can't interact. No wormholes don't create new matter, it only eats matter then spews it back out as it dissolves.
Wafflesquad
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But what about entropy? Since matter naturally moves to the state of being unorganized (pretty sure that's what entropy is) what will happen when disorganization is complete? Will entropy just stop? And if the universe is eventually just going to be widely spread dust, basically, then will another universe break in to ours and add more matter, or just bring some close enough to react and make a new universe?
Also... where did the other universes come from?

Sonatavarius
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i'm not saying wormholes create matter. I'm saying that the matter it would introduce would be from a different part of the loaf. its not actually creating the matter or energy... just transferring it.

as for the expansion into oblivion concept... I'm not sure that matter that all matter is gravitating into black holes... i think that if the stuff is revolving fast enough around it that it'll act like the whole earth and moon concept and stay in the same general area... (distance from the sun) ... this phenomena, if this is how it occurs in actuality, may keep the matter around it in an area close enough to eventually interact... as opposed to distancing that far away. or it may just be a mechanism that delays the inevitable.

i don't know how much justification for it they have, but some people believe in some concept along the lines of a "white" hole that spews the matter eaten somewhere else by a black hole back into the universe somewhere else via the possible tear it could make... but there's lots of stuff saying yay and nay to it so I dunno man

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Matter cannot be destroyed, but over time, with entropy, it will reach a point at which motion is impossible, because everything is at an equilibrium (incredibly close to it, at least).

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