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Kasic
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Is it right for a Doctor, or anyone for that matter, to help someone kill themselves if they are terminally ill? I think that it is a person's choice, but also you'd have to take into account that person's state of mind due to whatever they are ill with. What does anyone else think of this?

(Sorry if this is a duplicate...I haven't seen any thread like this though so unless there's a really old one...)

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Femm
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Yeah, life is hard. Really hard. But giving up is just stupid, and THAT is selfish.


How could it be anything but selfish, it's their own life? Why shouldn't someone be allowed to terminate their OWN life?
To get to the state of mind that you WANT to die, that you see no other way out, someone has gone through a whole lot that 'Yeah, life is hard' doesn't cover.

It is better to terminate your life peacefully with the help of a trained doctor, than to not be 'allowed' and having to jump in front of a train traumatising dozens of people while doing it.
MoonFairy
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Did you completely ignore everything else I said?

I think that if you are terminally ill, you should be allowed to have a doctor kill you before you go at a more natural pace.

But if your life is difficult, I don't think suicide is the way to go.

Personal (failed) experience is included in this, so I'm not being ignorant when I say it is stupid.

Other people out there love you, and you taking your own life because you feel like you can't take it is just selfish. I know if I actually did die, I'm 80% sure someone on this Earth would be upset by it.
What kind of example are you setting, killing yourself? Whatever your last words were on a note, no one will remember them. You killed yourself because you couldn't take it. IT IS CALLED SUCK IT UP. Life isn't fair, and I know many people on here can back me up on that one.
Taking your life because you don't like the hand dealt to you is like throwing your hand down in the middle of a game, where you had the potential to win beyond what you imagined, but you didn't want to do it.

Again, I will state, that if you are terminally ill, as in some type of cancer that has a 20% cure rate, then I think assisted suicide is nothing shameful, if you have your farewells in order and things.

qwerty1011
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I think that if someone wants to die let them. If someone can't say iof the want to die or not don't kill them

ramzaman
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i think that if a doctor kills someone who WANTS to die because they are SUFFERING while theyre alive..i think it should be okayy..but..the government would rather the person suffer so they can take their money while theyre in the hospital instead

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Suicide? It's only justified if it's the only way to do something in my opinion. If I couldn't do ANYTHING, assisted suicide would free up the money I'd be using to stay alive for someone who is actually curable. I would feel guilty myself if I couldn't repay someone after such a thing.

If I can't control my legs? I'd find something to do, I'd find something productive, I am not useless and hell I can still enjoy life - if you can do something in life, I consider it a sin (no I am not religious but hey it's a good comparison) to commit suicide. People sometimes do lose some of their capabilties that could be essential to their previous occupation and therefore don't feel any need of living.

I think they're wrong, personally, it's a quick-way out because they lost being able to do what they love, which I can empathize with but is selfish in its own way.

- H

Femm
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Did you completely ignore everything else I said?


What makes you think I ignored what you said?
We both agree that it should be allowed for terminally ill people and I just responded to the statements (multiple people have) made that it's selfish. Because of course being in control of your own life is selfish and I just said it's easy for us to judge when our lives are no where near as bad. What's wrong with saying that?
valkery
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Because of course being in control of your own life is selfish


Of course it is. It is your life. Why should you care what other people want of you if what they want of you causes great pain? Other people should not control what you do. That is called giving in to peer pressure. I don't care who it is you would affect by killing yourself, that should be an option for those who have a legitimate reason.

It should not, however, be used to get away from an emotional problem in High School. Just sayin.
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Euthanasia, if that is still part of the topic, absolutely not. I saw some people, when I was active duty in the US Navy that were in pretty wretched situations (I.E 2005 tsunami to Indonesia/Bandah Aceh/Thailand) that still absolutely wanted to live despite the fact that they were suffering.

Assisted suicide though, absolutely. If the person says they want relief, and doctors agree that their condition is not only terminal but they are suffering in addition. Absolutely, ABSOLUTELY give the person the power to end their suffering by having the order. We can't claim to be an enlightened society if we hold our citizens to outdated and borderline barbaric practices.

qwerty1011
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How could it be anything but selfish, it's their own life? Why shouldn't someone be allowed to terminate their OWN life?
To get to the state of mind that you WANT to die, that you see no other way out, someone has gone through a whole lot that 'Yeah, life is hard' doesn't cover.


Lets see, no carbon footprint, no drain on the NHS, I'd say this was selfless.
Highfire
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Lets see, no carbon footprint, no drain on the NHS, I'd say this was selfless.

I said that's how I'd think about it if I was in that position. I will still believe so if I hit the situation where I am incapable of providing anything for my family and friends.

- H
Kyouzou
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I say make it a rigorous process, make sure without a doubt that the patient is prepared to go through with this, talk to family, therapists, if they're religious a priest, etc. Then and only then if the person is still willing to do it, then there isn't much you can do, the doctor can either do it via lethal injection, or let the man go jump off of a roof, infront of a car, or numerous other grisly cases. Note I only advocate this in the case of Euthanasia.


In the case of "my life sucks", my only response is suck it up and learn how deal with and or fix your problems. You don't get to be that selfish. (Basically I'm agreeing with Moon.)

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In the case of "my life sucks", my only response is suck it up and learn how deal with and or fix your problems. You don't get to be that selfish. (Basically I'm agreeing with Moon.)


Again, it is not selfish, it is selfless. No drain on pension companies or NHS. How is this selfish? Can someone please answer this.
valkery
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Again, it is not selfish, it is selfless. No drain on pension companies or NHS. How is this selfish? Can someone please answer this.


Emotionally it is selfish. Economically it is a selfless thing to do. I guess it really boils to whether or not you have the balls to destroy your family emotionally.

And on that note, what happens if everyone who has ever had a problem serious enough to want to commit suicide can? The whole world would be losing people left and right, destroying so many families emotionally, that there is a very depressed world, filled with depressed people and everyone is sad all the time. That results in a loss of productivity, moral, and hosts of other things. It may be okay for a few individuals to have assisted suicide, but when more people start to do it, then the infrastructure collapses.
Femm
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And on that note, what happens if everyone who has ever had a problem serious enough to want to commit suicide can?


Don't people who want to commit suicide already do so?
Also, most families of people who committed suicide understood why they did or the person didn't have any family left. At the funeral of a friend who killed himself people were sad but also said that there was no other way and 'at least he's in a better place now'.

Of course I'm not saying that everybody should just be assisted with killing themselves at the drop of a hat, but the context and situation is very important and difficult for everybody involved and is not easy to just judge.
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