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thepyro222
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I grew up atheist for 16 years. I had always kept an open mind towards religion, but never really felt a need to believe in it. My sister started going to a Wednesday night children's program at a church. Eventually, I was dragged into a Christmas Eve service. Scoffing, I reluctantly went, assuming that this was going to be a load of crap, but when I went, I felt something. Something that I've never felt before. I felt a sense of empowerment and a sense of calling. Jesus called upon my soul, just like he did with his disciples. he wanted me to follow him. Now, my life is being lived for Christ. He died on the cross for my sins, and the sins of everyone who believes in him. He was beaten, brutalized, struck with a whip 39 times, made to carry a cross up to the stage of his death. This I believe to be true, and I can never repay him for what he has done.
I still have my struggles with Christianity, but I've found this bit of information most useful. Religion is not comprehensible in the human mind, because we cannot comprehend the idea of a perfect and supreme being, a God, but we can believe it in our heart, and that's the idea of faith. Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart. I invite my fellow Brothers and sisters of the LORD to talk about how Jesus has helped you in your life. No atheists and no insults please

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KingWarHammer
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Darwin ever say that we can from apes?


sorry meant to say came
MageGrayWolf
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Im not asking for evidence Im asking for hardcore proof.


proof

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/proof
1.
evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.
2.
anything serving as such evidence: What proof do you have?
3.
the act of testing or making trial of anything; test; trial: to put a thing to the proof.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proof
1 a : the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or a fact b : the process or an instance of establishing the validity of a statement especially by derivation from other statements in accordance with principles of reasoning
2 obsolete : experience
3: something that induces certainty or establishes validity
4 archaic : the quality or state of having been tested or tried; especially : unyielding hardness
5: evidence operating to determine the finding or judgment of a tribunal
6 a plural proofs or proof : a copy (as of typeset text) made for examination or correction b : a test impression of an engraving, etching, or lithograph c : a coin that is struck from a highly polished die on a polished planchet, is not intended for circulation, and sometimes differs in metallic content from coins of identical design struck for circulation d : a test photographic print made from a negative
7: a test applied to articles or substances to determine whether they are of standard or satisfactory quality
8 a : the minimum alcoholic strength of proof spirit b : strength with reference to the standard for proof spirit; specifically : alcoholic strength indicated by a number that is twice the percent by volume of alcohol present <whiskey of 90 proof is 45 percent alcohol>

So it seems to me what your saying is "I'm not asking for hard evidence, I'm asking for hard evidence".

Out of curiosity.
Hurt anyone, as in? Physically? Mentally? Financially?


The exact interpretation is often open for interpretation.
MageGrayWolf
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Darwin ever say that we can from apes?


No he thought we and apes came from a common ape-like ancestor. Though the truth is we are still apes. I explain how we still are over in this thread.
http://armorgames.com/community/thread/8112890/if-eveloution-is-real-why-are-there-still-apes/page/6
KingWarHammer
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No he thought we and apes came from a common ape-like ancestor.


OOOOh ok thx

proof


Ok i meant like to be 100% sure that it is real.
dair5
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Ok i meant like to be 100% sure that it is real.


You can't be 100% sure in science about a theory. It's because we don't know everything and things need a chance to be wrong in case we missed something. But the theory of evolution has so much evidence to back it up thatt it's a fact. It is as close to 100% as we're going to get.
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This is about Christianity right?

But there isn't one religion or theory with 100% proof. But what matters where we came from. It is about what you believe, God, Allah, Buddha, Nothing?

MageGrayWolf
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Ok i meant like to be 100% sure that it is real.


We've seen it happen and have do documented it happening many times over.

But what matters where we came from. It is about what you believe, God, Allah, Buddha, Nothing?


So to you it doesn't matter if I believe everyone is out to get me and my food is being poisoned so long as I believe it? I would think it's better to have a basis for a belief supported by objective verifiable evidence to better ensure accuracy of that belief than just to believe whatever.
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So to you it doesn't matter if I believe everyone is out to get me and my food is being poisoned so long as I believe it?

That's basically what Stalin believed. To many others those beliefs were irrational and weren't supported, but from his perspective, every death order he signed was justified because they were a threat to him.
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The deal with evolution is that it really is indisputable. Theist or not, there is plenty of hard evidence supporting evolution, and to argue against it is like trying to argue that the oceans are pink

ExplosionsHurt
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I disagree.

My understanding of evolution is that one creature gradualy morphs, or "evolves" into another creature.

However, the fossil record shows no fossils of creatures that were half-way into evolution! No instances of a transitional form have been found in the fossil records.

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However, the fossil record shows no fossils of creatures that were half-way into evolution! No instances of a transitional form have been found in the fossil records.


Here ya go, champ, here's a list of transitional forms for you to have a look at.
MageGrayWolf
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My understanding of evolution is that one creature gradualy morphs, or "evolves" into another creature.


Than you don't understand it.
Evolution is the change in allele frequencies in a population over generations. Evolution doesn't occur in individuals but in groups. What this means is as a group has kids those kids will have a slight difference in there genes from there parents. As those kids grow up and have kids of there own that generation will have a slight difference in their genes as well. If one of these slight differences turns out to be good, there will be more offspring from that parent and eventually over many generations that good difference will have spread through out the group and become normal.

However, the fossil record shows no fossils of creatures that were half-way into evolution! No instances of a transitional form have been found in the fossil records.


So if you were able to follow my explanation of what evolution is you then can guess that they are all transitional fossils.
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The deal with evolution is that it really is indisputable. Theist or not, there is plenty of hard evidence supporting evolution, and to argue against it is like trying to argue that the oceans are pink
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The ocean is pink

But it just sounds impossible to me. That there was a bang who created Protons and electrons and some more and that is where we come from.
MageGrayWolf
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But it just sounds impossible to me. That there was a bang who created Protons and electrons and some more and that is where we come from.


Then I guess it's a good thing that's not what the Big Bang theory states.
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But it just sounds impossible to me. That there was a bang who created Protons and electrons and some more and that is where we come from.


The big bang theory states that at the beginning there was a extrememly condensed point of energy. This point expands and as the universe cools down some matter are made from the energy. We start off with small matter like hydrogen. Then the hydrogen clump together and become stars. Stars then explode over time and make heavier elements due to the immense power and energy. we then have more rocky elements and that means we have astorids which colide and create planets. THE END. haven't I done this before?
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