Actually, many other cultures and religions have stories of a world flood. All the people and boats and such vary, but still the same basic story.
And? they all have Gods, does this mean gods must exist.
Theists cannot prove that god exists, atheists also cannot prove that god does not exist.
Yes but since the existence of a god is very unlikely because there is nothing that would not have happened if there was no god so for a god to exist there must be proof but there doesn't need to be to rpove him to not exist since that is far more likely.
Saying they are all correct would be like one person describing a crook as a short fat balding white man, while another describes the same crook as a tall muscular black man with an afro and saying they both are right.
At least they both say there was a crook.
I think the analogy is slightly wrong here. Image someone lying on the road with a bullet hole in their head with a gun lying on the ground with no fingerprints on it. There are 2 men next to her who are both wearing gloves and one says a tall black guy with an afro did it and the other says a short, fat, balding, white guy did it. They both say there was a crook but there doesn't have to be a crook
As far as I can see, the position of most atheists with whom I was able to speak is "No, there is no God at all" without any "don't know"s. The position of many believers is "I believe, and I know, but I don't know enough to prove God to you". I can't say about "most" believers, as they vary by religion, and some will just kill me outright should I speak.
No the actual position is that I believe there is no God because it is SO unlikely
Is this implying that there is no reason to believe in something simply because we do not have 100% evidence of being true?
No but have 0.000...01% evidence to believe in them isn't a good enough reason to believe in them. There are some theories things like this could apply to but not God.
Saying God exists, the Bible would be true, correct? If you took your time to read the Bible God grants us an eternal life in Heaven if we follow the path of Jesus. Allowing us to be alive right now, and the given power of free will are things that God permitted us. I would call this good, not evil. He had the choice to make us mindless drones that can only follow him, which would be evil, but there are plenty of people who just don't care about God.
But god surely must be corrupt with all his power since he doesn't do anything to help people on earth. He has the power to do it but he doesn't so why should we worship him if he doesn't do anything for us. And almost all christians say god exists but don't believe everything in the bible so why do the bits about heaven have to be true.
God entitled the world to be perfect, in which indeed failed because of the man in which he created. Cancer, abuse, evil leaders, all in which could have been done without if man had not decieved God.
God can see the future, he knows EVERYTHING, and he made the universe. Since he was the only one there and he knew the consequences of his actions everything that happens is his fault. And you can't deceive someone who can see the future anyway.
This means I can say the same about any book of yours, regardless its contents. This discussion ends with a stalemate.
Yes because as everyone knows a book of fairy tales is just as likely as a book of science which has all been proven or a book of maths that any person who can do maths would agree is all right.
True, in a way, there was nothing of harm when God created the world. God warned of the evil that would come from disobeying him. It would be as hating your parents because they told you not to steal from the cookie jar, and if you did you would get punished, then you do steal from the cookie jar and you whine, saying how evil they were. This would be humans fault.
Yes because as everyone knows parents are omniscient and know exactly what we are going to do all the time. If you look closely you may see the difference between your parents and god. And even if there was nothing evil in the world when God made it he must've known that evil would come about because of the way he made things so he did make it, he just made it come about a bit later. And anyway
this is all backed up by your bible and shows exactly what god did when he made the world.
Free will, the power God gave us to spread his word, or deny it. In a perfect world there would be no need to choose religions and debate against who was right, but God allowed it to be so to test our faith. God knows that many will burn in Hell, but the infinite pain comes from our own actions. That is why I am here, to try and convince some of you that there is a way better place than Hell.
But if Gods word is true what is the point of giving us the power to deny it. And just appearing to us and telling us seems a lot more believable compared to a guy on a forum who has no proof. Anyway God has the power to easily prove his existence, why doesn't he do it since it'd save so many people from hell.
(trolling mode on) There's an anecdote: "There are three degrees of lies: a lie, a profound lie, statistics." Statistics can be perverted to whatever needs one pursues, this is applied to say swine flu pandemic, bird flu and similar stuff, also AIDS cases are being involved - given HPV infection scale, should people ever bother with AIDS? (trolling mode off)
No, statistics are the truth. If they are changed to be fake they aren't statistics just lies. Also did you knoow that 61.4384% o all statistics are made up on the spot.
If you remain in the state of sin, when it's displayed to you that it's a sin, you go to Hell. If one will repent his sins deep in his heart and cry for them (not required to be done in public), he will be pardoned and avoid Hell. Yes, even child rapists can reach Heaven if they will turn away from evil ways. Reference: Jeremiah 31:34 and context.
So sinless atheists or people of another religion go to hell but child rapists go to heaven if they pretend to repent.
Yeah, If God knows EVERYTHING then he knew that in giving Adam and Eve free will that they would get exiled... Basically, although you have free will God knows exactly what you'll do with it and wont stop you. Why do I want free will if I could be a mindless zombie and knowing no better but the love of being with God? And if God loves me more than I could ever possibly love someone, then why does he send me to Hell, a place where you can get no worse? God knows everything, is all powerful and does nothing to help me, why? Yeah I know it's a rant, but now can you see why people like me can't be converted?
I shall answer you with this:
How do you know that if you were a mindless zombie you wouldn't make exactly the same choices that you do now? And anyway we could just be mindless zombies who think we have free will. And you'd have the love of God. How is free will better than that.
Of course there could be no god at all but lets not concern ourselves with things like that which everyone knows aren't true and completely invalidate religion. They aren't important.
An excerpt from any truthful creationists mind.